In _this_ case, even. Good ole edit button.

lol

"The line is drawn.......marriage is the union of man and woman."

Right, I'm arguing that that's an unjust law. You can argue that the age of consent is an unjust law all day if you feel like it. I also feel most of our traffic laws are just - is that okay for me to support to? Or is it because I have a problem with one law I have a problem with every law?

Also, my inner-editor cannot let your insistence on redundantly extending your ellipses slide without comment.

What if I man or a woman undergoes sex change surgery. Can they then marry someone of the gender they used to be?

Ew that sounds icky. Better make it illegal.

yes i wonder about skrum too. for as adamantly as he believes in the truth of his viewpoints, its amazing how terrible he is at communicating them to people who disagree with him. his communication methods would (hazard guess) lead to about 0.0% of people with differing opinions changing their minds and agreeing with him. which leads me to conclude that he is more concerned about his own self-righteousness than about caring for others.

anyways.

lol that thrax headed down the pedophilia path when he shouldve known from past forum experience that its a dead end. if only he had gone down the incest path, it wouldve been closer to a decent discussion.

and as far as the politicizing of the vote for obama. it sickens me that he didnt want word to get out about his support until later. apparently biden accidentally forced him to reveal his stance earlier than intended. this is what is fucking wrong with american politics. politicians have realized how to massage the masses into slight advantages in getting votes. and the masses are ignorant enough to continually fall for their words instead of their actions, so this is more a diatribe against the idiocy of americans than the politicians who realize how to manipulate them. yet another reason im voting for Ron Paul in november: the man has a sense of integrity, and takes his stances regardless of what the public perception is. he doesnt wait until a prime moment to reveal his stance, he doesnt engage in any of that shit. he is who he is. i trust him.

I simply argue for those that aren't bright enough to articulate their position. Pedophiles are born that way. Homosexuals are born that way. Heterosexuals are born that way. Some are socially accepted, some aren't. Some make people's stomachs turn, some don't.

I would argue that the homosexual population is growing, would anyone agree?

Is this population growth due to more homosexuals coming out, or homosexuality becoming mainstream and allowing others to utilize it as a learned activity?

And yes, most that oppose homosexuality probably aren't bright enough to give an average reason why. I just like a good argument.

PLUS...I want skrum to get a century thread.

"Some are socially accepted, some aren't. Some make people's stomachs turn, some don't."

Yes, and the common factor here is that unless it involves taking advantage of minors, or in any other fashion harms/hurts anyone(does not include your stomach turning), why should there be a different set of rules for them? Equality should in my opinion be one of the pillars of the legislation, but obviously not at the cost of protecting minors and people that can't/aren't able to make their own decisions regarding important matters.

I have no numbers or any real interest of looking up if there is any growth in the homosexual part of the population. But it seems that at least more and more are confirming it publically, which probably is a result of homosexuality becoming more and more socially accepted. And it doesn't make any difference if they would end up proving that there is no genetical input to sexuality or not. Homosexuals don't harm anyone in any other fashion than all the rest of us, people with a liking to kids certainly does.