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Barack H Obama wrote
at 8:39 PM, Friday July 15, 2011 EDT
This is dedicated to all you self proclaimed conscientious patriots, We want to get this straight.
You didn’t get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President. You didn’t get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate energy policy. You didn’t get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed. You didn’t get mad when the Patriot Act got passed. You didn’t get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us. You didn’t get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war. You didn’t get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq. You didn’t get mad when you saw the Abu Grahib photos. You didn’t get mad when you found out we were torturing people. You didn’t get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans. You didn’t get mad when we didn’t catch Bin Laden. You didn’t get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed. You didn’t get mad when we let a major US city drown. You didn’t get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark. You finally got mad when.. when… wait for it… when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all ok with you but helping other Americans… well fuck that. That about right? You know it is. You people have all lost your fucking minds. You are selfish, greedy, obnoxious, narcissistic, and frankly… stupid. Your pathetic little misspelled protest signs are embarrassing. Maybe you ought to find the smart person in your midst and let them make up all the signs, cause man, you look like a bunch of idiots. Also you’re ugly and your mother dresses you funny. |
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mr Kreuzfeld wrote
at 3:14 PM, Monday July 18, 2011 EDT in healthcare where you want certain machines that costs tens of millions of dollars, you need a few hightech labs that can cost a million dollar per week to run, you need to have all sorts of extra capacity that does not make sense for any one hospital to have, but you would need it on a national basis. certain diseases are best combated by refusing antibiotic to many patients that would benefit from them (this is documented, certain deseases have higher mortality rate in US, where the only real difference is that european hostpitals refuse antibiotic in most cases, but us gives them,in order to keep the patient). I am happy knowing that my doctors main focus is how to best provide care, not how to best get profit from the situation.
in surgery, you need maybe 1 specialist in certain area of the body per 10 million people. running few very expensive high tech surgery halls with capacity for really difficult procedures, with many experts in the fiels. rather than having many hospitals competing, making the units smaller. if the comunity is small enough, it really only makes sense to have one hospital, because healthcare is so very geographically dependant marketforces might not really work |
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dasfury wrote
at 3:22 PM, Monday July 18, 2011 EDT 312 M people here.
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mr Kreuzfeld wrote
at 3:36 PM, Monday July 18, 2011 EDT well, distance from hospitals is important, alaska would have bigge need for public healthcare than vermont would
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Barack H Obama wrote
at 4:05 PM, Monday July 18, 2011 EDT ^^
Love and Care, is all we need. |
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mr Kreuzfeld wrote
at 4:14 PM, Monday July 18, 2011 EDT by the way dead
thanks for the links to friedman, I am really enjoying watching the videos with him talking |
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Boner Oiler wrote
at 4:15 PM, Monday July 18, 2011 EDT dead please explain how hospitals and doctors compete for patients in the same fashion that plastic surgeons compete for giving boob jobs.
those are not similar markets. one is a free market, the other is compulsory (did you ever take econ?). in the latter you are forced to take the service. it's not a free market. which is why free market healthcare is implausible. |
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Julie Chen wrote
at 4:38 PM, Monday July 18, 2011 EDT there seems to be a fundamental and irrevocable lacuna between the two sides of this debate.
i'm more curious about how such a radical difference of opinion has been produced historically and psychologically and what it means. the increasingly schizophrenic political culture seems to be primary issue. |
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Julie Chen wrote
at 4:44 PM, Monday July 18, 2011 EDT to elaborate: there seeems to be little if any common ground -- shared values or principles -- that could serve as a shared point of reference for both sides. its almost as if the liberals (kreuzberg, myself, simon, veta) and the conservatives/libertarians (code, skrum, thrax) are speaking different languages with no capacity to translate between them.
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deadcode wrote
at 5:24 PM, Monday July 18, 2011 EDT Mrk; I'm glad you like them; I've always found him to be very, very good at articulating points; brilliant man.
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deadcode wrote
at 5:25 PM, Monday July 18, 2011 EDT Boogy; watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rls8H6MktrA&feature=related
Tell me you can't understand my point of view. |
