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Sick of people bitching about the flagging system
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fiero600 wrote
at 9:09 AM, Tuesday September 22, 2009 EDT
Ok this is PROBABLY hand in hand with the 2007 post since i think those are the people whining the hardest but uh... LISTEN UP ALL WHINERS
The current flag system is in place because the other systems had flaws. LEARN-HOW-TO-ADAPT-TO-THIS-SYSTEM-OF-FLAGGING-AND-SCORING. Seriously guys, this is legit from all sides. Here's an example... say in round 5 or 6, there is a fairly dominant 1'st place, and a fairly obvious 2/3 fight.You are in either 2'nd or 3'rd place... sorta doesn't matter for this example. NOW WATCH HOW THIS WORKS. Say you have some random old school bitchy player.. lets name him player 'phoenix'. Player phoenix will try to old school 'silent truce' the other guy and hope he catches on.. which of course he wont since silent truce is a lost art. Next, the other guy will vflag since it will be round 7ish to the 1st place guy. Phoenix will stay silent for a minute and then 1'st place and the 2/3 guy will both attack him. Then he will begin to rant and bitch how gay the vflag was and how the other player was a pussy. By now, 4'th and 5'th will have converged on him, and he will get a fairly decently high dominant 5'th or 6th place and get knocked out while bitching. Lets plug another player that has actually adapted to the game into that same situation. For example sake lets name him dasfury. This player will immediately assess the situation and if it is before the vflag he will truce his other 2/3 opponent. He will in the process, attack only the smaller players, leaving his partner to fend off the stronger 1'st place. Then he will then from the dominant position, force his truce partner to flag and... TAH DAH! 1'ST PLACE!!!!! So what if the vflag has already occurred? NOT A PROBLEM FOR A PRO! Lets just assume that this player isn't phazed by the chat pwning and refuses to take down his flag for a promise of '1st place' that will eventually be taken back on the basis of something to the tune of 'you cut me off' or 'someone lagged out' or something to that tune. This player can say something like "you're flagging 2nd right? let me fight. Yo 1'st place guy let me fight these other people." Then while dasfury kills the other people, he takes the top position and eventually kills the 1st place as he didn't explicitly flag to him. Oh and if you're wondering... in the chance that 1st place attacks him to stay in the dominant role, dasfury would just convince the guy that vflagged that 1'st place is backstabbing or farming, and the vflag would help him out.... I dont know how many times ive watched good players win like this... it seems so obvious of strategy but the old school whiners just dont seem to get it. They see vflags as pussy flags and pga schemes instead of just another tool for strategy. So heres to you dasfury type players... thank you for pwning the old style and new style with little to no whining. And FFS guys... if you learn ONE thing from das its gotta be this... ADAPT |
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fiero600 wrote
at 11:24 AM, Tuesday September 22, 2009 EDT The old school players are all waiting for a phrase that will never happen
Ryan : The elo 2k lounge squad is back in action and all players from after 2008 are ip blocked |
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THE NIGGLER wrote
at 11:26 AM, Tuesday September 22, 2009 EDT i just wanna see how a shadless month goes
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skrumgaer wrote
at 11:35 AM, Tuesday September 22, 2009 EDT fiero600:
I used flag as a noun in my post. |
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fiero600 wrote
at 11:37 AM, Tuesday September 22, 2009 EDT lol good point
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MadHat_Sam wrote
at 11:50 AM, Tuesday September 22, 2009 EDT Thrax I was thinking of making some depreciating comment on how I butchered the english language with that attrocious runon, but I couldn't stand to read through it again after I typed it myself ;-)
Also can we focus on the OP for again and marvel at the retardation of his premise. Jesus how fucking dumb are you fiero? |
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fiero600 wrote
at 11:52 AM, Tuesday September 22, 2009 EDT explain please, what is my premise and why is it dumb?
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Vermont wrote
at 12:17 PM, Tuesday September 22, 2009 EDT Sam already owned this entire thread, which is impressive given how convoluted his writing was.
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Gurgi wrote
at 12:47 PM, Tuesday September 22, 2009 EDT the "sick of bitching" thread is just causing people to bitch..oh the irony
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montecarlo wrote
at 1:35 PM, Tuesday September 22, 2009 EDT fiero: "i didn't say that this is the ideal flagging or points system but it IS THE CURRENT FLAGGING AND POINTS SYSTEM... so all im saying is that people need to ADAPT TO THE SYSTEM OR GTFO AND STFU"
i disagree with this. maybe i misunderstood what you meant. it seems like you are arguing that its better to lower your standards instead of seeking perfection. its like we all admit that the current version of the game isnt right, that it focuses too much on diplomacy (whining) and not enough on strategy (skill). now before you jump on me, i openly admit that this makes me a more successful player. my game revolves around average skill and insanely-manipulative diplomacy (how else could someone maintain positive points with a bugged account?) (ali, go ahead and write your unwitty response to that) (no, really, write it). anyways, the old schoolers complain a bit more than the newer players because the newer players have never experienced the old system. the old schoolers would like to think that, if the newer players had a chance to play in the older system, they would like it much more, everyone would enjoy the competition more, more people would start to play the game, Ryan would make more money, and everyone would be happy. its not that the old schoolers are on some ego-trip or that they complain because they cant adapt to the new methods required to win. its just not as much fun to win a game because you pwn a chatbox with manipulation instead of pwn the gameboard with foresight. were not saying (or at least im not) that you should completely remove the chatbox or diplomacy... its still a great facet of the game. were just saying (or at least i am) that the current system favors chatbox/whining too much, and the system should be adjusted accordingly. still a great game that i enjoy, even with a bugged account (write a 2nd reply now int). |
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montecarlo wrote
at 1:41 PM, Tuesday September 22, 2009 EDT and Ryan if you are reading this thread... would it be possible to open up the sandbox again, with the old elo/instadeath flag system? then we could let the newer players test it out and see what their reactions are.
perhaps some old school players would be willing to donate $5 here and there to make this happen. or lets just let shad pay for it, since he gets paid tons of money to play kdice anyways. HAR HAR HAR |
