Well said Monte... you're still my secret pge.

I'm sorry, but no matter what your opinion of RND, he was a big part of this game.

I think that it is amazing that people are constantly bitching about keeping the game fair -- these people are focused on the clicky click game... attacking territories.

RND understood the WHOLE game -- the social game and played it beautifully.

Give credit where credit is due, he utilized the tools of the game to surpass what was initially thought to be the game.

There's a lot of incentive to use pga/etc in this game. Now there's (slightly) less, it's selfish to not see that as a good thing

And now people who pga'd are giving lectures on what's fair and good sportsmanship to defend themselves? Nice, way to overreact instead of moving on

Why didn't you use your social skills to convince others to play fairly?

JDizzle - "My definition of REAL cheating and not just finding a loop hole is when you do something to gain an extreme advantage that isn't available to every player."

Unfortunately you destroy your entire argument with this sentence. Taking advantage of the fact that this is an online multiplayer game with chat by making friends and teams is most definitely not a loophole. In fact it is a core part of the game that is available to every player. Rnd was just really good at making use of this part of the game.

And to those that say all the top players are on here defending their style of play, that couldn't be more wrong. We're just stating that we took a strategy that netted very good results as far as placing high in this game. We took the best advantage of what was available to win more often then anyone else.

i'd like to add a little something to XCrobins comments...

lets keep this thread alive (as a reminder) and see how many top 25 got there alone.

i will say (and u 'elite' players will be like, "yea wotever") that i made the top 100 in my 1st serious month of playing. im proud of that and will be aiming top 25 this month. the point im making, is a have never PGA'd PGE'd whatever...i got there on my own...

i made 'friends' during the game for the benifit of that game but for me every game is a new one.

awe

Awesomeness!

I'm going to call your bluff on this one. You can't honestly say that some of those friendships don't carry over at least somewhat into future games. You realize you can trust someone so naturally you tend to give them the benefit of the doubt and not attack in a future game cause they won't turn on you.

As I posted before, I used to PGA with bot4, but he backstabbed me, however, bot6 is a cool guy, we should work together from now on....

Ahhh, for the record, in my limited knowledge about this game, rnd and LUCK were/are the BEST players, they ALWAYS know when and where to move to take advantage. Cheating? oh come on...try to beat them in a single game.

What's lost to me in this whole thing is people saying that RND had some kind of "advantage" that was not afforded to other people on the site. Pregame Alliances are not something explicity forbidden in the rules. In fact there are no explicit rules. There are constraints written into the coding that do not allow you to attack from non bordering countries or with countries with only 1 dice on them. Those are the rules set forth in the coding. RND was not hacking kdice to fix his rolls or break any of the system set parameters for attacking within the coding.

What RND did do is work within the system and manipulate it to the extreme. He was an amazing player since he had his multiple accounts at a high level to help maintain the players he has his PGA with to basically trade wins on main accounts. RND as a player was very hard to handle one on one. He knew when to play conservative, he knew when to play aggressive, he knew when to over-extend, and he very much so knew how to play the truce/political portion of the game. To be honest, I've not seen anyone handle a board like him throughout the community.

Before I get "get off RND's jockstrap" comments from people I would like to say, I DO NOT LIKE RND OR THE WAY HE PLAYED. But he was in no shape or form cheating. Marion Jones as the moron Kdicefreak keeps spouting broke explicit rules of track and field (namely anti-doping laws) and thusly had her medals stripped for breaking those doping rules. RND broke no rule. Ryan didn't have rules, and still doesn't have rules. If you want to curb the PGAing (yes it still goes on. People may not have a green square or black trapezoid anymore, but they're still helping each other) write some rules prohibiting PGAing and have something within the coding that watched who people play with/attack and dont attack, etc. Until that time, PGAing is not something that is going away.

once again, kehoe, one of my favourite players in kdice, speaks words of wisdom.

kehoe for president.

AND MONTE FOR SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURE!

i guess my opinion on the matter is that if you choose to kill rnd, then, to be fair, you should also choose to kill montecarlo since i joined in with the pga instant-messaging crowd back in may-july. and you'll probably have to choose to kill a whole hell of a lot of others.

Wow!