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moving towards a new scoring model
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Ryan wrote
at 8:34 AM, Wednesday July 18, 2007 EDT
It's time to start considering a refinement to the scoring model to address a couple issues.
1. The complexity of having elo and score can be confusing 2. The lack of a monthly ELO reset leads to a a possible long term elistist attitude for many top players. Some of you will remember that the scoring has gone through a couple changes before and they have been positive. The goal hear is to keep the positive changes and make another refinement. The model that I'll test for new scoring will be like Gpokr, (which works really well). There will be no ELO, only points. There will be 50/200/1000/5000 point tables. The game point adjustments will seem very similar to ELO so game strategy will stay the same. For example you'd gain 20-50 points for winning a game and loose 20-30 points for loosing. The difference from ELO is that point adjustments won't be relative to others score. Insted of ELO minimum tables there will be point minimum tables. At higher tables the amounts of points gained or lost is greater. For example at a 5000 table you could gain or loose up to 5000 points per game. Thoughts? |
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Cody wrote
at 8:13 PM, Thursday July 19, 2007 EDT Ok, I re-ran the numbers since skrum isn't around, and while not completely scientifically accurate, i believe it to be sound. I took a weighted average of the top 25, and got a percentage spread of roughly
1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 18% 17% 15% 13% 13% 12% 13% I then combined this with an even distribution of the scores, since I do not know what even elo would give. 30 20 10 0 -10 -20 -30 120 80 40 0 -40 -80 -120 600 400 200 0 -200 -400 -600 3000 2000 1000 0 -1000 -2000 -3000 Then I combined the score distribution with the weighted average of our "best" players, to find out how many games it would take per level to climb up. Level Score Games At Level Games Total 50 202 69 69 200 1008 69 138 1000 5041 69 207 5000 25205 69 276 As you can see it will take roughly 70 games to climb between each level, with score rising exponentially, allowing a 20k growth in the same amount of games after the 5000 mark, that's 100 times the growth on the lower levels. It will also take "good" players nearly 200 games to make it to the top tier, and by then the month will be over for many of them. This style of play actually lends itself better to pga's, as they won't be restricted by the elo's of others, allowing them to grow. They also are nearly guarenteed points in small groups. I believe that this new style of play will have a lot of advantages, such as not being hindered by other players not making it up as fast as you. In the past, recoveries from elo resets have been slow, because if you jump ahead, you gain very little, while with this, you gain as much as anyone at your level. However, this new freedom means that we need to be even more responsible for our own actions, and need to try and maintain a healthy kdicing environment. If any of my numbers are wrong, or completely mathematically incorrect please feel free to correct me, I made a few generalizations, but I believe my point came across. Good luck to Ryan in developing this system, and I hope to see you all on the test server. -CoMik- P.S. Ryan can I get unmuted :o |
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Cody wrote
at 8:14 PM, Thursday July 19, 2007 EDT Sorry, i got cut off^^
Good luck to Ryan in developing this system, and I hope to see you all on the test server. -CoMik- P.S. Ryan can I get unmuted :o |
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Cody wrote
at 8:15 PM, Thursday July 19, 2007 EDT Never mind, it was just the html after that spot, one more time :o
Good luck to Ryan in developing this system, and I hope to see you all on the test server. -CoMik- P.S. Ryan can I get unmuted :o |
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Cody wrote
at 8:17 PM, Thursday July 19, 2007 EDT ok one last time...
http://files-upload . com/385300/CoMikReport . xls . html if you want to download the crappy excel file i made P.P.P.S: Can we have an edit post feature to the forums? |
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skrumgaer wrote
at 10:02 PM, Thursday July 19, 2007 EDT Great work, cody!
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Cody wrote
at 10:05 PM, Thursday July 19, 2007 EDT skrum, a question for you, why don't you just link to the tapl calculator in 1 cell inside of your profile, and do you know the exact distribution for elo, when everythings equal?
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silentcollision wrote
at 2:27 AM, Friday July 20, 2007 EDT Sorry, I don't frequent the forum.
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trevorh14 wrote
at 3:18 AM, Friday July 20, 2007 EDT i wish i wasnt soo lazy and could read all this... but i have no idea wats going on
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skrumgaer wrote
at 12:22 PM, Friday July 20, 2007 EDT Cody:
The one-cell TAPL calculator does not wrap, so if I post it on my profile it messes up the wrap on all the other posts. So it needs to be posted in a thread by itself. |
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Cody wrote
at 2:06 PM, Friday July 20, 2007 EDT skrum, i meant make a forum post, and then link to that forum post from your profile.
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