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Zimmerman released on bond
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Venezuela wrote
at 4:18 PM, Friday April 20, 2012 EDT
I'm glad Zimmerman was released on Bond. He turned himself in voluntarily the first time instead of running away, supporting that he isn't a flight risk. Just because there's high media coverage and outrage on something doesn't mean someone is necessarily guilty of what they're charged. Maybe he's guilty, and the trial will determine it, but I'm glad to see constitutional rights being protected. #MERICA!!!!!!
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Cal Ripken wrote
at 11:37 AM, Tuesday April 24, 2012 EDT "fuck the miami heat for wearing hoodies before anyone knew anything"
I think the big issue not addressed so far in this thread is that the big blow up by the media/on twitter/passed on by athletes,senators,etc... is that Zimmerman wasn't arrested/charged really anything done about it for weeks (after the national attention blow up). Dude shot an unarmed kid and nothing happened. I'm not saying he's guilty or not, but when you're told by the 911 dispatch to stay in your car and instead you end up shooting a kid, you fucked up. People (at least initially) were/are in an uproar for justice, not immediate guilt. Now it's in the hands of the justice system, the public got what it wanted IMO. |
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MadHat_Sam wrote
at 11:59 AM, Tuesday April 24, 2012 EDT This stems from a law that grants too immediate of immunity from arrest when self defense is claimed. This would have been a minor and insignificant case had a competent police force been allowed to arrest or at least detain Zimmerman for questioning at the time of the shooting. Instead they couldn't hold him since he claimed self defense and the "Stand Your Ground" Law forbids detaining someone claiming self defense at the time of the incident. Also I am pretty sure the Sanford police are a bunch of worthless "corrupt" hillbilly cops and not actually concerned much over justice and instead prioritize protecting "their way of life" but in the end fuck Florida.
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Thraxle wrote
at 12:59 PM, Tuesday April 24, 2012 EDT A) Zimmerman should have been arrested and investigated from the beginning
B) The media HAS turned it into some type of racially motivated conspiracy (I mean seriously, a white-Hispanic???....lol) C) Zimmerman is not going to be found guilty D) When C happens the media will help push the public's (black folks) outrage E) Manufactured hate will continue to thrive |
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MadHat_Sam wrote
at 1:05 PM, Tuesday April 24, 2012 EDT Thrax, legally he shouldn't have been detained and obviously wasn't when the incident occurred since that would have been in violation of Florida law. That is the problem. The rest is just noise, although I do think Zimmerman is an unapologetic crazy person and might sink himself if his lawyers don't physically gag and bind him.
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Thraxle wrote
at 1:12 PM, Tuesday April 24, 2012 EDT Legally, in Florida, I can go shoot someone and claim they were threatening me and not even get investigated. I agree that is bogus, but there should have been an investigation into his claim. It would appear that even that wasn't really done.
Is Zimmerman guilty? Probably. Was his intent racially charged? Probably not. |
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MadHat_Sam wrote
at 2:59 PM, Tuesday April 24, 2012 EDT The "Stand Your Ground" Law provides immediate immunity from detention:
(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful. Now the main problem with this, is if their is no witness and the other person is dead, the cops hands are tied. Now the Sanford Police seem incompentent and/or corrupt so that helped as well given. Source, yeah wiki but has sites for the statutes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law#Florida And how much of this post gets fucked up... |
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Cal Ripken wrote
at 3:17 PM, Tuesday April 24, 2012 EDT You think he would've been following the kid if he were white? Or claimed that he felt threatened?
I'm skeptical that it would've ever happened. |
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MadHat_Sam wrote
at 3:55 PM, Tuesday April 24, 2012 EDT It isn't as racially motivated as the edited NBC clip lead people to believe and it isn't devoid of racial motivations as Thraxle says. Of course no longer in America is anything allowed to be between right and left, it must be completely one pole or the other.
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Thraxle wrote
at 4:46 PM, Tuesday April 24, 2012 EDT What is more suspicious, a person wearing a hoodie and saggy jeans or a person wearing a suit and tie? Which are you going to pay closer attention to? And don't think that my meaning is racially charged. The clothes a person wears is MEANT to illicit a preconceived notion, right? A man wearing a Rolex wants you to think he's rich and important. A woman wearing a sexy dress wants to be ogled and complimented. A man wearing a hoodie and saggy jeans wants you to know he's cool and possibly a bad ass. What we wear IS the perception we want others to have of us.
If the man in the suit is walking around in a neighborhood looking at houses, I'm going to assume he's a salesman or the like. If the man in the hoodie and saggy jeans is doing the same, I might be inclined to wonder if he's up to no good. The persons attire DOES illicit a preconceived response. |
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Not Veta wrote
at 4:46 PM, Tuesday April 24, 2012 EDT So if it was a white kid do you think anyone would've died?
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