YOU ARENT TOUCHING HIS BELIEFS. JPC DOES NOT BELIEVE IN WHAT MONTE BELIEVES. HE BELIEVES IN GIVING RESPECT TO OTHER PEOPLES BELIEFS EVEN WHEN THEY ARE DIFFERENT.

ffs stop making me hold shift.

Monte are you talking to me? Why would I call someone a close minded bigot if someone said I was going to hell?

I would do what I always do; ignore it. I think you are underestimating how many times I encounter situations where basically someone says similiar things as above. I basically makes me chuckle; kinda like an old grandpa raging about "IN MY DAY SONNY". It is irrelevant; amusing; and annoying at most.

Ok; I made my point. Time for cooler heads to prevail and let us agree to disagree.

and that is the way that you are forcing the rest of us to view you, dead. thats what happens when you force your worldview on everyone else.

maybe we all misunderstood. it just seems the way you have been communicating your views, that the rest of us are okay with the idea that maybe we are wrong in what we believe, and one of the alternatives is right. but you seem to come off as trying to make sure we accept that we could be wrong, while not accepting yourself that we could be right.

and thats why some people are starting to get offended. hopefully its just miscommunication.

Arguments like this are why I moved from militant atheist to more reasoned agnostic as I got older and back to the point I made in another thread, or was it this one? Theism and Atheism both require a certain faith that I am not comfortable with, I know there is much I do not know and much that is not understood or explained yet and those unknowns don't worry me much.

Well if you view me badly for stating my disbelief in god; then so be it. I'm neither outraged nor hurt. I'm just indifferent. Listen I understand this topic is serious business for you guys; but it isn't for everyone. And for those that it isn't it; you guys appear to be very intolerable of dissent.

Just food for thought.

Me personally; I'd prefer to battle in an arena where you can discuss, debate, and be intolerable based on facts; not faith. Sorry if this is offensive; but that is just my opinion of things. So carry on your discussion; sorry to point out my opinion. Btw; I'd like to point out; that your rabid friend is what caused the argument; not anyone's actual outrage. I'd also like to point out that JPC trolls me in many threads. Perhaps you should look at this evidence and question what JPC's actual motives are; because clearly he is more worried about me; then the actual content of the argument.

Monte; I clearly stated earlier in the thread that it is impossible to prove a negative. I understand that you possibly did not read the whole thread; but that did happen; as you can see.

Anyway; talk to you guys later; somewhere else; about something else.

God, get over yourself already. This has nothing to do with you or anything other thread. I've responded to your politics maybe 5 times in the last 6 months. I pretty much reserve my political discussion on here to talking with Thrax.

"You are claiming that somehow I committed some terribly offensive act."

No, I claimed you were being petty and arrogant, which IMO you were. You weren't stating/defending/explaining your faith, you were making fun of others'.

Thanks for summing it up at the top of the page, Monte.