"You don't get it... I wasn't pretending."

Fine. If you were actually trying to add faith in Star Trek to the conversation and not simply poke fun at Christian faith by comparing it to Star Trek, then yes, your point was valid.

I think you're full of shit though. But by all means, tell me that was your intent.

"allow others to have different opinions without pulling the "your mean!! apologize to us now!!" bullshit."

The only opinion here of the "What you believe is wrong" nature was yours.

I never have and continue to not care what you or anyone else believes.

It is your opinion that Monte's faith is wrong. Expressing that opinion by belittling his faith is petty and arrogant. Hence my response.

thrax, same thing that jpc/dead and i are going back and forth on. the person who created fsm was not doing it genuinely. he was doing it to mock others who werent atheist.

if he wants to espouse atheism, great. i respect that. but if he just wants to belittle other people for religion (because its insanely obv that religion is a farce, duh), then fuck that. that is a lack of respect and a lack of appreciation of the 1st amendment.

jesus didnt create a religion to try to take advantage of people, or try to mock the jews or romans or whatever. pretty much everybody agrees those werent his intentions.

so, no, i dont put fsm on the same level as jesus. or hindus or buddhists or atheists or w/e.

and if you think paul (the single biggest proselytizer in the early church) was a dumb slave... you need to learn greek, then read the shit he wrote. the dude was far from a dumb slave (as opposed to peter who used a lot plainer greek in what he wrote, just like a fisherman, not slave, would)

"Or maybe god doesn't exist and the Bible is like the world's most popular ghost story; and all you guys are like Trekkies; or star wars nerds; dressing up and trying to be like the characters displayed in the stories. Just saying..."

i dont know dead. dont you think that is a little bit condescending?

shev, i appreciate you trying to help us out on making our point. but you are an exmod, and your "help" is only hurting our cause.

i mean, i DEFINITELY dont want fiero coming in here defending jesus. that makes me a trekkie.

lol

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tell me when you are out of salt monte

Listen; JPC; I'm having trouble getting you to understand my points.

I do not believe in God. I've said this numerous times before.

I posted in the thread making it clear that in my opinion having faith in God is analogous to being a Trekkie or StarWars fan.

You are claiming that somehow I committed some terribly offensive act.

I tried to reason with you; but that didn't work. I'm not really interested in having an argument about religion; and maybe I should have done what most people do when these threads start; shut their mouth (mainly because you guys fly off the handle whenever someone disagrees).

So I will leave you with a short comment; disappear from this thread; and reappear somewhere else where logical arguments are appreciated and the outrage is based on evidence, conjecture, facts, and reason.

Now untwist your panties; grow some skin; and "no more tears".

wait what. if i say that there is a God and there is a heaven and hell, and you are going to hell because you dont agree with me. what is your logical reaction. im a close-minded bigot.

but if you say that there is no God, that all religions are the same: worthless, and I am therefore below reason/thought/logic because I refuse to accept your obvious truth. then you are NOT a close-minded bigot?

what im saying is the spirit of the 1st amendment is to respect each others beliefs. not to say, okay you can believe that but youre a moron.

And btw; JPC; you belittle my political beliefs in other threads frequently. It is pretty funny that as soon as someone touches your beliefs you start whining about the lack of respect, belittlement, etc.