I'm just saying I don't see how God has a hand in Presidential Elections anymore than he does in Tim Tebow winning football games or my Grandmother getting cancer.

If he has a hand in all of the above, then he's a pretty shitty malevolent deity.

But if he picks and chooses...then where's the line?

to see the other side of the coin, maybe jesus' point was moreso dont rebel against the govt, because this life is short compared to eternity. i honestly dont have a good answer ready, would have to google some shit.

That's a fair point. I like Jesus and what he had to say.

okay, googled a random page, not sure if i trust this guy, but he had a good overarching point which was:

So, When is it right to rebel against authority? Only when that authority prevents you from obeying God's authority.

one of his examples was less so political, moreso spiritual, which was that the ruling pharisees ordered the early christians to stop spreading the new gospel schtick. but they obv didnt stop, because the whole proselytizing was a direct command from jesus on his way out. so then it was okay to rebel against authority.

which is sorta interesting, because the romans didnt exactly have the best working relationship with the jewish/christian community, since periodic rebellions were to be expected. jesus/paul/whoever didnt say to fuck augustus or nero or whichever emperor was to come in a political sense. but take the persecutions in stride and, in a way, use them as a method to further the message about the good news (yay, im being boiled in oil, you should believe what i believe!)

Or maybe god doesn't exist and the Bible is like the world's most popular ghost story; and all you guys are like Trekkies; or star wars nerds; dressing up and trying to be like the characters displayed in the stories. Just saying...

Belittling the faith of others is petty and arrogant...just sayin

Oh please; I'm allowed my opinion; if they disagree that is fine. Get off your high horse jcp.

You're allowed to be petty and arrogant, sure. I'm allowed to call you out on it just the same, dickcode (lol zomgz I can misspell usernames too burnnnn).

Oh; btw; what I said I certainly a valid possibility. I mean it is called faith right? So it is based on a belief that something is true rather then facts. So why am I somehow committing a personal attack if I remind those that there is a possibility they are wrong; and that the scenario I painted is correct.

If that is belittling to you; then you need to get your panties un-twisted before participating on the big boy tables; because it pisses me off when theists can talk their opinions all day; but as soon as an atheist speaks; its OMG STOP BEING MEAN!

Ah I see you are just angry at me personally; and this is the venue to vent that frustration. I apologize; carry on.