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Dottir takes November TAZD.
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skrumgaer wrote
at 9:57 AM, Thursday December 1, 2011 EST
The TAZD and baseball-style standings are explained on my Wall. At least 35 regular games played in the month are require to qualify for the monthly TAZD. Shown are Games Behind, TAZD, and player name.
GB TAZD Player 06 12178 dottir 13 11141 Emre Oguz 03 10171 masticore 00 9719 Invola 39 9539 Shevar 03 8878 OneShot7 18 8842 jona_vicente 06 8419 savif 22 8352 [Ocean]Flushed 32 8336 Mazaman 02 8224 toms 10 8170 what_up23 47 8155 jfdis 08 8113 @ata 24 8064 Az_Balu 17 7666 kostur 20 7604 L3xy 48 7603 bcmatteagles 16 7600 22-Apr 11 7427 Lady Lite 07 7406 Vollhonk 66 7294 Scabbard 26 7159 kdiceplaya! 22 6840 chaiNblade 29 6829 IFIGENIUS 17 6518 FPP 24 6504 _smile_ 69 6474 Remiel 43 6441 Simmo3k 40 6411 Mercantile 12 6397 xjxaxnx 11 6328 @Toomyfriends 93 6315 franklyghost 14 6259 Bu7Ch3r 34 6214 fish28 18 6129 Free Flags 19 6043 hcdug 24 5928 kudoukun 18 5921 ovbogaert 14 5907 peter luftig 36 5658 @engr2002 49 5588 EddyB 22 5474 @MikeTamburini 31 5398 Brighty 30 5333 fearlessflyer 39 5281 Lord Death 92 5210 Loobee 35 5123 Gurgi 66 5087 barmat 21 5065 joero14 66 5054 Jily 40 5044 hatty 33 4952 longpube 32 4921 NikkeKnatterton 29 4841 scarp8 54 4794 stackshotbilly 34 4784 OviloN 66 4733 Silesia 100 4730 axlehammer 45 4623 mrb2097 47 4600 nexon 21 4582 Volvic 23 4484 beatol 33 4471 Fatman_x 25 4411 KDancer 41 4306 xXxJozefxXx 25 4289 Keeley 26 4019 euphrates7 87 4003 Rsquared 36 3917 Poker Style 48 3808 "MC" 34 3760 haloducks 41 3641 bivo 69 3261 orestis85 52 3201 greekboi 73 3179 cool g 33 2960 MNK10 57 2817 Trkz 58 2784 greenman 65 2759 These tards suck 76 2714 GreGGwar 70 2500 absolutgimlet 61 2463 Johnboat 44 2285 Kingofskillz 84 2218 DonnieScribbles 93 2208 GR3ENMAN 73 2028 CCSKAOT 94 1253 Kdot 92 1248 ji-jo |
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superxchloe wrote
at 11:09 PM, Saturday December 3, 2011 EST so I was pulling the influential points and saw this:
1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th ASRm TAZD* Name Rank 41% 16% 16% 10% 6% 5% 3% 2.43 16096 olkainry38 14th GOOD GOODNESS. The next highest TAZD* is like 13000. anyway the rsq value got HUGE after taking out those influential points! Giant! More than tripled! rsq = .000774 And here's TAZD vs. TAZD*! TAZD is on the X and TAZD* is on the Y for the same set of data (ie, all the qualifying players for the months that I had easy access to on my computer): http://i.imgur.com/pDNKA.png |
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superxchloe wrote
at 11:33 PM, Saturday December 3, 2011 EST And for a single player (namely montecarlo), for those months that qualify:
Luck vs. TAZD*: http://i.imgur.com/nvPcF.png rsq=.279 TAZD vs. TAZD*: http://i.imgur.com/xN4Td.png |
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montecarlo wrote
at 11:43 PM, Saturday December 3, 2011 EST well, nvm on that theory. at least the one outlier made sense. way low luck yields has way low tazd*. thanks for all the work chloe, youre the best <3
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skrumgaer wrote
at 11:49 PM, Saturday December 3, 2011 EST Chloe and monte:
There is a multiplier for the number of incidences. It is the expected number of incidences which goes as the number of games played. The chi square approximates a normal distribution whose mean goes as the number of games. To compare two normal distributions with different number of games, you have to scale them by **dividing** them by the standard deviations. If you use the distribution of percentages rather than the distribution of incidences, there is no multiplier, but to compare distributions of different sample sizes (number of games) you have to *multiply* them by their standard deviations. This is all explained on my Wall. The 60 or 35 game minimums have nothing to do with the variances but with having to avoid having to do Yate's Correction. For the TAPL, Yate's Correction would be needed for fewer than 5 games per cell, or 35 games total. For the TAZD, a bigger minimum would be needed because the expected values for 1st and 2nd would be less than 5 if you used 35. So I chose 60 because Ryan had once said that 60 was the minimum needed per month to make results significant. The square root rule ensures that the players with more games have to play the square of the number of additional games of the players with a fewer number to overtake them. The purpose of the square root rule is both to reward players who play more games (but less and less for each additional game) but at the same time serve as a warning for the people who have played a few games that they need to play more games, with the same good percentages, to keep from being overtaken. Also, if players are pga'ing (unfortunately, pga'ing is a skill and is rewarded in the TAZD), it will be more difficult to arrange more pga's to stay ahead. On the other hand, I suspect that Dottir has not arranged 6,000 pga's to get to her high score. |
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skrumgaer wrote
at 11:58 PM, Saturday December 3, 2011 EST I was off watching the Republican debates while you were doing the luck stuff. I don't think the luck stat is very useful; for one thing, it is rolls only, not inital stacks or restacking.
My "net dom" stat may have something to do with wimpiness in flagging, but I need a different data set to compare with. Perhaps I can use tourney data after the first two levels, since flagging is not an option for most players, who are all-in. |
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montecarlo wrote
at 12:03 AM, Sunday December 4, 2011 EST "If you use the distribution of percentages rather than the distribution of incidences, there is no multiplier, but to compare distributions of different sample sizes (number of games) you have to *multiply* them by their standard deviations. This is all explained on my Wall."
i respectfully disagree. the fact that you are using percentages inherently means that different sample sizes are just fine. all you need is a minimum number of games to remove an appropriate amount of uncertainty, so that the true mean dominates, and not variance's effect on the mean. having a greater number of games doesnt mean youre percentages should be multiplied, it just means that they are closer to their true means. |
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montecarlo wrote
at 12:07 AM, Sunday December 4, 2011 EST btw how did the republican debate go? and who do you like so far skrum?
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skrumgaer wrote
at 12:17 AM, Sunday December 4, 2011 EST I went to my quick and dirty source for all things mathematical, Wikipedia, and pulled up Welch's t-test for two distribtions that have possiblly differet variances and different sample sizes. Note the weightings for the sample sizes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welch's_t_test I like Newt and Perry the most. Romney just doesn't want to give any specific answers, like "what would you have told Obama was wrong about Romneycare?" Bachmann doesn't have enough command of constitutional law. She seems to think that if something is important enough, here has to be a federal solution for it. Santorum looks like he's just been to the dentist. I may want to look into the book Ron Paul mentioned, Bastiat's "The Law". |
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montecarlo wrote
at 12:30 AM, Sunday December 4, 2011 EST but i dont think your distributions have a different number of samples. they all have 100 samples (or slightly less) corresponding to the total percentage of all places.
if you were comparing the number of placements, yes, multiply by the stdev. but if youre comparing the percentages, then you shouldnt. ill vote for ron paul, despite all the media and polls saying that he cant win. i like the guy for being true to himself over the past 30 years of politics, and not just trying to say what his audience wants to hear so that he can get elected/reelected. newt has a degree of that to him as well, so i respect him for that, but its only a fraction of how genuine paul is. i dont agree with all his points, maybe 75% of them, but after watching american politicians for my short 14 years of voting eligibility, im sickened by all the chatbox manipulation that is poured into deceiving the american populace. and the utterly unbelievable amount of wasteful spending done by both parties. for some reason, i trust that paul will try to fix that, instead of maintain status quo. i dunno. |
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superxchloe wrote
at 12:42 AM, Sunday December 4, 2011 EST expect more fun from me tomorrow. I have a huge headache.
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