Oh. I forgot Amber too which has banned for less inflammatory or offensive remarks in chat.

Also it should be noted this vulgarity of Sam has been perennial and constant. At some point you need to draw a line and I think anyone unbiased can see that Sam has done more than enough to cross a line.

I would never ban anyone for using the language I use.

I agree sam could have formed and/or expressed his opinion better and given the precedents set here a kdice, does lend his usage of the "term" - downy - as being inappropriate and probably crossing the line. I suppose I should have added...

Had he said... in the old days children born with downs syndrome were left to die of exposure as babies...I think the old days had some merit... I really don't see a problem with other than perhaps eliciting some complaints originating from it's shock value.

It's the difference between someone sayin.... Them backwerdz niggers deserved to be enslaved so their inherent primitive and inferior nature could be contained as it ought to have been because theyz jest buncha savage rejects of god yeh know ?.... etc, etc.

and

Perhaps sinking the slave ships in the mid Atlantic prior to there arrival might have done the occupants all a favor as opposed to ensuring their sentence to a lifetime of slavery in the US.

Suppose I could have been more clear on that. Secondly, the usage of derogatory terms doesn't concern me much as others it seems. Depends on the context really. Racial jokes for instances (of any denomination) if in fact crafty I'll find humorous. The actual "attitudes" or perspectives however, such as some of the shit I've seen so called Christian right wingers puke up with real sincerity can really make my hair stand up. Cuz they really mean it, and truly see it that way. That shit seems to truly bother me deep down.

As was noted, it's not just the use of "downy" but other offensive words that Sam has persistently used, including but not limited to: "fucktard" "retard" "douchenozzle"... I could go on.

And yes I would say shock value is grounds for a ban. Saying "Back in the day Hitler would've gassed you, I think that approach had some merit" is as tantamount to offensive and hate language as you can get. But you are arguing this is just "shock value" which really shouldn't be bannable.

Once again, using the equivalent of your theme to what Sam said would be: "In the old days they used to buy and sell people like you and make them work in cotton fields. I think those days had some merit." This should not be acceptable and I don't know what mental gymnastics you are pulling to think it is.

Sam, as a concerned member of the community, I request that you take a leave of absence for a few days to think over your behavior and language and how it affects our community. Thank you.

Verm isn't that what you jokers tried to do to me? lol

Jesus, STFU people. This is the fucking internet and people say shit that other people don't like. Deal with it. Veta, you sound especially retarded pretending like you give a shit about the poor "downies". You just don't like Sam. Just say you don't like him...stop trying to make farfetched arguments and comparisons in some self righteous effort to make yourself seem socially conscious.
If ANY of you can't deal with being called a "fucktard", "assface", "big cunt", or "man juice funnel"....then in fact you are all of those things. Grow a fucking spine! Most of you don't have a problem with that language, but are just knit picking Sam's behavior like your lame opinions are gonna make any damn difference on this site.
Sam has called me names and do I give a shit?? Hell no. It's for damn sure I wouldn't come try to get someone banned for calling me names because I'm not a child crying to my mommy.
In conclusion, your time could be better spent hitting your head against the wall or counting to infinity...as the rest of us would not be bothered by your idiocy. So, S T F U.

I just dont like sam, he shoulda been left to an exposure as a child...

Kdp: that's not the issue. The issue is consistency in the enforcement of rules. There has already been a precedent set that this is bannable or deserves some kind of reprimand. Whether or not I like Sam is inconsequential because what's really at stake here is the integrity of the moderators as a whole. If they fail to reprimand Sam, or Sam fails to publicly admit err then the moderators are proven hypocrites.

This is should be especially enforced given the fact that moderators are supposed to act as ambassadors to the game (or at least Sam is according to his contributor badge) and as such should lead by example.

Nobody is saying Sam is an insensitive douchebag, yet, but it is clear he is setting a poor example and if Sam was anybody else he most likely would've been warned or -chatted/-posted for his consistent vulgarity.

On one hand Sam loathed favoritism when it's applied to kdice and on the other he is reaping the benefits by being a moderator and an old member of the cheating crew from 2008. That's what is really bothering me kdp.

Loathes*
& forgive other typos this was from my phone