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Jurgen and the MODerator system
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nixx wrote
at 10:04 AM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT
Let me begin by saying that I am NOT writing this as an insult to Jurgen or to any of the other MOD's.
What I am doing is questioning / discussing the current MOD system. Without talking to Ryan personally, I can only guess at the reasoning behind having MODERATORS as actual players of the game, but Im sure they are (and not limited to) some of the following: 1. The MODS are in the games, know the game , and like the game. 2. The MODS will not be immediately recognized as a MODERATOR in every game, and as such, the MOD's will witness a lot of uncensored chat and game play. 3. The MODS are probably free to Ryan. Possibly compensated with some free memberships / and or a feeling of authority. With that said, its obvious that Ryan is running a business. The KDice, GPokr, and Xsketch sites are successful web businesses that I have enjoyed for years, along with many other players. I am also sure that the inexpensive / friendly gaming environments that Ryan has created have brought him a lot of financial success, and I congratulate / aspire this as a fellow programmer. I believe the current MOD system changes the games to an extent that jeopardizes the future success of these sites. The reasoning for my frustration: Jurgen recently accused me of being in violation of the game rules. The Justification for his accusations: Not accepting a verbal flag from Moulue during a members tournament. I would like to go over the actual rules of the game for those of you who have not read them. The rules of the game are simple: 1.Do not use pornographic Avatars. (My Avatar is a black square, and has been for several weeks, before that, it was the Mandelbrot set for a very long time.) 2. Do not harass people. (OK,well, this one is a little vague, what constitutes harassment? Honestly, I have, like a lot of others, in the past gotten angry in the chat box over the outcome of a game. Note though that my treatment of other players was never in question during this members tournament or any other ring game in the past.) 3. Do Not Use Hate Language or Avatars. ( See my responses to Rule 2 and 3...Furthermore, I am not a racist, and do not use racist language. The only Biased thing I do on this website is go easier on girls with cute pictures of themselves....Brighty is a perfect example.) 4. Game to Game favors are not allowed. ( I was accused of being in alliance with 2 players in a 9 player members tournament. MC and another player whose name I cant even remember. For the record, I do not know these players in real life, nor have I any arrangement with them for mutually beneficial game outcomes. Jurgen accuses me of this, but cannot ever prove this, because it is SIMPLY NOT TRUE). 5. Play only one account at a time. (I have several accounts Nix, Nixx, Nixxx, Nixxxx, etc. I have only ever played one of them at a time. If this is to be questioned, I rerfer Ryan to his own servers history records.) So...with all of the above said, the following was posted on my review page by Jurgen after Moulue reported me minutes after the conclusion of the members tournament. serious warning: can't call it pga with "MC"/zoid for sure but very fishy screw of molou at the very least. Game 1: you don't let him fight for 3rd for a made up reason. Game 2 before heads up: you don't let him fight again because you accept the weirdest "I won't cut you for 2nd" when there wasn't even a real cut on. Next fishy play will mean a ban. -avatar jurgen 7:43 PM, Saturday September 10, 2011 CDT Notice that Jurgen was able to post this on my review page with the warning category listed as Avatar. I guess there is not a category for warnings regarding NOT ACCEPTING VERBAL FLAGS. I bet that is because NOT ACCEPTING VERBAL FLAGS IS NOT A VIOLATION OF THE RULES. I wonder why not accepting verbal flags is not a rule.. Probably because it is sometimes WISE TO DO SO, seeing as the the goal of KDICE IS TO WIN POINTS WITHIN THE RULES AND PARAMETERS OF THE GAME! Flags are in place to shorten games, not as a tool for players to think they are guaranteed safety, at the cost of other players expansion and game progress. Let me go over how I handle verbal flags: If a verbal flag hurts my game.I do not accept it. If a verbal flag is neutral to my game.I sometimes accept it. If a verbal flag helps my game. I accept it. In conclusion, MODerators should not have the ability to arbitrarily assign negative warnings on players review page. I agree that pornographic, racist and otherwise inappropriate language and avatars should not be tolerated, however, I think that there is too much wiggle room for the MODerators. They are not there to analyze the way I win games. They are there to, based on facts, and never capriciously, assign warnings to players that are in clear violation of the actual rules of the game. I want this post to begin a serious discussion about authority and discretion given to the MODerators. This POST has been EMAILED to RYAN as well. |
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gfg_Snorlax wrote
at 5:28 PM, Monday September 12, 2011 EDT This thread is hilarious. A bunch people arguing about the gray lines between OTF, PGA, Asshole Play and Cheating. The only one who has said anything constructive is Sam. Nixx played like an asshole and gets warned for PGA. Who cares. 500 table players OTF and play like assholes all day long and don't get warned. It's so arbitrary, it's not even funny. And really? Are we seriously going to accept that a PGA isn't game-to-game favor...Because this invalidates half the bans ever carried out. Also, Jurgen warns and bans for all kinds of things that a specifically spelled in the rules. That's why the mods are people instead of robots, they get discretion. At the very least Ryan's inaction in response to mod complaints is indifference, but go ahead and take it as support for their actions as the result is the same. And everyone...why are you still engaging Veta? Every time you do that, he succeeds in hijacking the thread. And as far as the money thing goes, the more of the top players that get banned, the more fun it is for players who don't OTF in every game (most), so basically that argument is stupid. Your complaints are almost as useless as comments from hero and amber on threads about games they can't possibly understand.
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nixx wrote
at 5:52 PM, Monday September 12, 2011 EDT HUH?
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0632242545 wrote
at 6:29 PM, Monday September 12, 2011 EDT 2 things gfg, stop posting on an alt you pansy. Second what the fuck are you on about, if I didn't know better I'd say you're on an alt because you lack any credibility here. As I said to nix, people like the above just post to score points with mods. They don't care whether the mods are right or wrong. All the bitching lately should speak for itself though.
Post on your main or gtfo gfg |
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gfg_Snorlax wrote
at 9:55 PM, Monday September 12, 2011 EDT My main was perma-banned you self-righteous fuck. Just because I moved on with my life instead of creating 10 thousand alts just to personally attack everyone who disagrees me doesn't make me a pussy; it just means I am not a bipolar, roided out asshole. Further, if I am a pussy for remaining anonymous, how the fuck and I trying to score points with the mods. Also, not sure how saying Jurgen makes up rules and Ryan is useless is going to score me points with the mods. I guess I complimented Sam, but I am pretty sure I have insulted him numerous times.
Oh shit...I just engaged Veta, now I'm the asshole. |
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gfg_Snorlax wrote
at 9:56 PM, Monday September 12, 2011 EDT Just in case...Sam, you're useless.
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0632242545 wrote
at 10:43 PM, Monday September 12, 2011 EDT So jerkoff who were/are you. And you can check the creation date on this account. I ain't making new accounts
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boogybytes wrote
at 11:52 PM, Monday September 12, 2011 EDT SNORLAX=VASH?!! ??!?
probably just nodice, disappointing |
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fcuku_ wrote
at 7:46 AM, Tuesday September 13, 2011 EDT Hahah, greek.
Oscar Wilde is the shit. |
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fcuku_ wrote
at 7:48 AM, Tuesday September 13, 2011 EDT All of this could be avoided if you just banned them and didn't explain why
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Thraxle wrote
at 7:50 AM, Tuesday September 13, 2011 EDT My sentiments exactly chase.
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