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Jurgen and the MODerator system
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nixx wrote
at 10:04 AM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT
Let me begin by saying that I am NOT writing this as an insult to Jurgen or to any of the other MOD's.
What I am doing is questioning / discussing the current MOD system. Without talking to Ryan personally, I can only guess at the reasoning behind having MODERATORS as actual players of the game, but Im sure they are (and not limited to) some of the following: 1. The MODS are in the games, know the game , and like the game. 2. The MODS will not be immediately recognized as a MODERATOR in every game, and as such, the MOD's will witness a lot of uncensored chat and game play. 3. The MODS are probably free to Ryan. Possibly compensated with some free memberships / and or a feeling of authority. With that said, its obvious that Ryan is running a business. The KDice, GPokr, and Xsketch sites are successful web businesses that I have enjoyed for years, along with many other players. I am also sure that the inexpensive / friendly gaming environments that Ryan has created have brought him a lot of financial success, and I congratulate / aspire this as a fellow programmer. I believe the current MOD system changes the games to an extent that jeopardizes the future success of these sites. The reasoning for my frustration: Jurgen recently accused me of being in violation of the game rules. The Justification for his accusations: Not accepting a verbal flag from Moulue during a members tournament. I would like to go over the actual rules of the game for those of you who have not read them. The rules of the game are simple: 1.Do not use pornographic Avatars. (My Avatar is a black square, and has been for several weeks, before that, it was the Mandelbrot set for a very long time.) 2. Do not harass people. (OK,well, this one is a little vague, what constitutes harassment? Honestly, I have, like a lot of others, in the past gotten angry in the chat box over the outcome of a game. Note though that my treatment of other players was never in question during this members tournament or any other ring game in the past.) 3. Do Not Use Hate Language or Avatars. ( See my responses to Rule 2 and 3...Furthermore, I am not a racist, and do not use racist language. The only Biased thing I do on this website is go easier on girls with cute pictures of themselves....Brighty is a perfect example.) 4. Game to Game favors are not allowed. ( I was accused of being in alliance with 2 players in a 9 player members tournament. MC and another player whose name I cant even remember. For the record, I do not know these players in real life, nor have I any arrangement with them for mutually beneficial game outcomes. Jurgen accuses me of this, but cannot ever prove this, because it is SIMPLY NOT TRUE). 5. Play only one account at a time. (I have several accounts Nix, Nixx, Nixxx, Nixxxx, etc. I have only ever played one of them at a time. If this is to be questioned, I rerfer Ryan to his own servers history records.) So...with all of the above said, the following was posted on my review page by Jurgen after Moulue reported me minutes after the conclusion of the members tournament. serious warning: can't call it pga with "MC"/zoid for sure but very fishy screw of molou at the very least. Game 1: you don't let him fight for 3rd for a made up reason. Game 2 before heads up: you don't let him fight again because you accept the weirdest "I won't cut you for 2nd" when there wasn't even a real cut on. Next fishy play will mean a ban. -avatar jurgen 7:43 PM, Saturday September 10, 2011 CDT Notice that Jurgen was able to post this on my review page with the warning category listed as Avatar. I guess there is not a category for warnings regarding NOT ACCEPTING VERBAL FLAGS. I bet that is because NOT ACCEPTING VERBAL FLAGS IS NOT A VIOLATION OF THE RULES. I wonder why not accepting verbal flags is not a rule.. Probably because it is sometimes WISE TO DO SO, seeing as the the goal of KDICE IS TO WIN POINTS WITHIN THE RULES AND PARAMETERS OF THE GAME! Flags are in place to shorten games, not as a tool for players to think they are guaranteed safety, at the cost of other players expansion and game progress. Let me go over how I handle verbal flags: If a verbal flag hurts my game.I do not accept it. If a verbal flag is neutral to my game.I sometimes accept it. If a verbal flag helps my game. I accept it. In conclusion, MODerators should not have the ability to arbitrarily assign negative warnings on players review page. I agree that pornographic, racist and otherwise inappropriate language and avatars should not be tolerated, however, I think that there is too much wiggle room for the MODerators. They are not there to analyze the way I win games. They are there to, based on facts, and never capriciously, assign warnings to players that are in clear violation of the actual rules of the game. I want this post to begin a serious discussion about authority and discretion given to the MODerators. This POST has been EMAILED to RYAN as well. |
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MadHat_Sam wrote
at 10:33 PM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT Fuck off Veta, seriously arguing for mechanical changes on the forums as some cover for acting like a cocktard in this game is fucking pathetic.
E-Mail Ryan all that shit, posting the same nonconstructive comments over and over again that have no relation to the discussion at hand is just stupid. Ryan has never paid close attention to the forum and if you don't know that by now you are dumber than rocks, I don't think that is the case I just think you are trying to act like you pathetic desire to rake points well playing is some noble cause to change kdice. |
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uglygolfball wrote
at 10:35 PM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT MHS why are you so angry?
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deadcode wrote
at 10:39 PM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT Change "KDice is a multiplayer strategy online game played in monthly competitions. It's like Risk. The goal is to win every territory on the map."
To: "KDice is a multiplayer strategy online game played in monthly competitions. It's like Risk + SOCIALIZATION. The goal is to win every territory on the map." And then let's play the game the only way it can be played. |
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MadHat_Sam wrote
at 10:40 PM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT Dance puppets, dance.
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uglygolfball wrote
at 11:03 PM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT Thrax are you on board with this new and improved socialized version of KDice?
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nixx wrote
at 11:08 PM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT MadHat..Go Shit In Your Hat....I love KDice..Think its a great game...the arguing is terrible, and the flagging system retarded...compounded with Jurgen trying to deduce a PGA from a chat log, and wrongly accusing me of PGA'ng for winning a tournament.....Shit, the day I want Jurgen doing my thinking for me, is the day I eat a bullet.
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Amber Dyer wrote
at 12:04 AM, Monday September 12, 2011 EDT Wow, I really can't believe I read this all.. Umm.. well to anyone who has a problem with mods this is what I have to say to you..
I have a question.. Have you ever wondered why mods leave kdice and stop modding for you?? We ban you, you get pissed.. we don't ban you, you get pissed.. We ban someone who deserves it, you get pissed, we unban some who deserves it, you get pissed... We simply verbal warn you.. you get pissed, we warn you on your reviews/main page you get pissed... Have you ever wondered if the problem is YOU and NOT US!?!?! OHHH. I know I'm the "cool" mod, and ya all think other mods are corrupted. But really I am getting SICK AND TIRED of people complaining that they got a ban or they want to be unbanned. I'm really also tired of people trolling and spamming because they got a ban, or bringing down the mod that banned them. You can call me "corrupt" now I honestly do not care, but really if you all want the mods to do their job THEN QUIT COMPLAINING about every little thing that we do! Seriously it getting old. I know I haven't been a mod for that long, and even though I am not on as much as I used to be, I still see all the BS that goes on here. All I have to say is chill the F out. If you are banned then serve your dang time in peace and stop harassing the mod that banned you or other mods to unban you! Also stop trying to play us mods, we are not stupid, we do talk to each other. |
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Randomperfection wrote
at 12:55 AM, Monday September 12, 2011 EDT +1 @Amber
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@Jurgenlikesdick wrote
at 1:26 AM, Monday September 12, 2011 EDT Amber, respectfully you know nothing about the game at a competitive high level like say how Bone-Roller or Sam might. If people are bitching because you did something wrong then make mends, don't act self-righteous. You are capable of mistakes, all the moderators are - if moderators just stuck to what was black and white nobody would be pissed. But they love to cause controversy by fucking around in the murky grays of kdice. The site was better before moderators and I'm sure nix, who's been around since '06 can attest to that.
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nixx wrote
at 8:23 AM, Monday September 12, 2011 EDT @JURGENLIKESCOCK - Thank you again and again...You're one of a very few voices of reason in a seemingly kangaroo court.
@Amber - I think I'm being Misunderstood.... Let me try and clarify....again.... I was wrongly accused of PGA'ng....as a long time paying customer, (who has never made a hardcore point run...notice my lack of trophies)....to be accused of cheating in a members tournment is stupid...Theres no logic to JURGENS accusations... If I wanted to cheat, believe me, you would not catch me, and I would have a lot of trophies and points. I play casually in between my real life duties, such as WORK, and sleeping with GIRLS....I dont need to come on KDICE and cheat to make myself feel better. Jurgens Logic is about as retarded as the concept of having MOD's assign warnings to people for not accepting verbal flags (THEYRE NOT A RULE OF THE GAME AND NEVER SHOULD BE) So excuse me for being offended, after paying members dues, and adding traffic to Ryans website for the last 6 years...to be called a cheater by this half wit Jurgen. |