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Jurgen and the MODerator system
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nixx wrote
at 10:04 AM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT
Let me begin by saying that I am NOT writing this as an insult to Jurgen or to any of the other MOD's.
What I am doing is questioning / discussing the current MOD system. Without talking to Ryan personally, I can only guess at the reasoning behind having MODERATORS as actual players of the game, but Im sure they are (and not limited to) some of the following: 1. The MODS are in the games, know the game , and like the game. 2. The MODS will not be immediately recognized as a MODERATOR in every game, and as such, the MOD's will witness a lot of uncensored chat and game play. 3. The MODS are probably free to Ryan. Possibly compensated with some free memberships / and or a feeling of authority. With that said, its obvious that Ryan is running a business. The KDice, GPokr, and Xsketch sites are successful web businesses that I have enjoyed for years, along with many other players. I am also sure that the inexpensive / friendly gaming environments that Ryan has created have brought him a lot of financial success, and I congratulate / aspire this as a fellow programmer. I believe the current MOD system changes the games to an extent that jeopardizes the future success of these sites. The reasoning for my frustration: Jurgen recently accused me of being in violation of the game rules. The Justification for his accusations: Not accepting a verbal flag from Moulue during a members tournament. I would like to go over the actual rules of the game for those of you who have not read them. The rules of the game are simple: 1.Do not use pornographic Avatars. (My Avatar is a black square, and has been for several weeks, before that, it was the Mandelbrot set for a very long time.) 2. Do not harass people. (OK,well, this one is a little vague, what constitutes harassment? Honestly, I have, like a lot of others, in the past gotten angry in the chat box over the outcome of a game. Note though that my treatment of other players was never in question during this members tournament or any other ring game in the past.) 3. Do Not Use Hate Language or Avatars. ( See my responses to Rule 2 and 3...Furthermore, I am not a racist, and do not use racist language. The only Biased thing I do on this website is go easier on girls with cute pictures of themselves....Brighty is a perfect example.) 4. Game to Game favors are not allowed. ( I was accused of being in alliance with 2 players in a 9 player members tournament. MC and another player whose name I cant even remember. For the record, I do not know these players in real life, nor have I any arrangement with them for mutually beneficial game outcomes. Jurgen accuses me of this, but cannot ever prove this, because it is SIMPLY NOT TRUE). 5. Play only one account at a time. (I have several accounts Nix, Nixx, Nixxx, Nixxxx, etc. I have only ever played one of them at a time. If this is to be questioned, I rerfer Ryan to his own servers history records.) So...with all of the above said, the following was posted on my review page by Jurgen after Moulue reported me minutes after the conclusion of the members tournament. serious warning: can't call it pga with "MC"/zoid for sure but very fishy screw of molou at the very least. Game 1: you don't let him fight for 3rd for a made up reason. Game 2 before heads up: you don't let him fight again because you accept the weirdest "I won't cut you for 2nd" when there wasn't even a real cut on. Next fishy play will mean a ban. -avatar jurgen 7:43 PM, Saturday September 10, 2011 CDT Notice that Jurgen was able to post this on my review page with the warning category listed as Avatar. I guess there is not a category for warnings regarding NOT ACCEPTING VERBAL FLAGS. I bet that is because NOT ACCEPTING VERBAL FLAGS IS NOT A VIOLATION OF THE RULES. I wonder why not accepting verbal flags is not a rule.. Probably because it is sometimes WISE TO DO SO, seeing as the the goal of KDICE IS TO WIN POINTS WITHIN THE RULES AND PARAMETERS OF THE GAME! Flags are in place to shorten games, not as a tool for players to think they are guaranteed safety, at the cost of other players expansion and game progress. Let me go over how I handle verbal flags: If a verbal flag hurts my game.I do not accept it. If a verbal flag is neutral to my game.I sometimes accept it. If a verbal flag helps my game. I accept it. In conclusion, MODerators should not have the ability to arbitrarily assign negative warnings on players review page. I agree that pornographic, racist and otherwise inappropriate language and avatars should not be tolerated, however, I think that there is too much wiggle room for the MODerators. They are not there to analyze the way I win games. They are there to, based on facts, and never capriciously, assign warnings to players that are in clear violation of the actual rules of the game. I want this post to begin a serious discussion about authority and discretion given to the MODerators. This POST has been EMAILED to RYAN as well. |
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Thraxle wrote
at 1:36 PM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT It also doesn't state that PGA is illegal in the rules. Game to game favors is not PGA. PGA is the express intent prior to a game starting to work with another player in that game.
I guess we shouldn't ban for that either? |
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Hokey Pokey wrote
at 1:36 PM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT I for one dont like it when people are fighting.
I have the perfect solution to this, which always works.... You put your right hand in, You put your right hand out, You put your right hand in, And you shake it all about, You do the hokey pokey and you turn yourself around That what it's all about. See?...for a moment there you completely forgot all about your problems here. works everytime. Just to be sure lets try it again... You put your right hand in, You put your right hand..... well you get the idea |
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recooked wrote
at 1:47 PM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT If another player wasn't zoid, maybe there would be any chance of me believing you. Just saying.
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jurgen wrote
at 2:39 PM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT nixx, I already posted hours ago you were free to put your avatar back up. Your av wasn't banned. I can't put it back up, only you can do that.
I use av reset to warn because it's a harmless method. It's the best way I have to post a written warning. If I use - play + play or something, that makes 2 lines in your mod comments. |
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greekboi wrote
at 5:04 PM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT nixx - ok, your verbal flaggage was legal. jurgen can just say you guys did game-to-game favors. you got off with a warning, stop bitching.
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nixx wrote
at 5:16 PM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT GreekBoi...You clearly have no clue what youre even talking about. There was no game to game favor, and no PGA.....nor am I bitching...Simply pointing out the flaws of the current MOD system. It causes more problems than it solves, and is going to cost the site money......Want to solve the whole problem, eliminate the chat box...90%arguing, racism, insults...5% verbal flags that disintegrate into arguing, 5% friendly convo.
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@JurgenIikescock wrote
at 5:16 PM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT Yeah jurgen is one of the more temperamental and paranoid mods nix. I'm not surprised tbh.
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nixx wrote
at 5:27 PM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT Thank you for your support JURGENLIKESCOCK
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kdiceplaya! wrote
at 6:49 PM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT I saw nothing of this incident, but why do I have a feeling there was some kind of chat pwning by zoid to influence the game play.
Also, who cares about warnings? However, I think there should be a larger sample size than 2 games to get any indication of PGA. |
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Thraxle wrote
at 7:28 PM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT Actually, moderation makes money for the site. Most of the douchebag pointwhores that get banned end up buying a new membership on an alt.
Any other bad observations you'd like to make? |