"This is what people do on the 2k-5k tables and we still get posts every day talking about PGA. Maybe I'm blind (and I am; I wear contacts); but I almost never see PGAs. Maybe once every 2 months or so; and they are almost all at the 0-100 tables. 2k-5k games is all silent truces in my opinion; either learn how to identify them and offer them; or you will die. "

Totally agree with that, and i will add another things too.

When experimented players speak on forums about PGA/OTF in high tables, saying that is the problem of kdice, and when mods ban players for PGA without a really clear evidence, they are only making a bad contribution to the game.

Players from 0/100/500 tables hear about that and they feel reforced their idea about not play in high tables if you havent a friend there, or directly dont sit on 2k/5k table. So...

- First, they dont learn to propose or see the silent truces, in consequence they are always out of that truces because they didnt know that could be happening, and then, players who use to play in 2k are automatically acused of PGA and even acused of have the goal to kill news players! (feeding again that paranoia when they go back to 500's and tell everybody what happened on the last 2k game they played).

- Second, people with few points are very scared of that pga/otf situation that someone told them (or they lived), and then they dont want to join on high tables. So, people who play there continue being always the same in the end, and its easier to understand their own moves day after day (and ofc they are more friends day after day too because they are playing together all the time since nobody more wants to join). That situation helps to continue thinking they are pgas or otf if they suddenly make a truce.

And we can start the story again...people dont sit, dont learn, acuse others of pgaing...and dont sit again because there are "falses" pgas...dont learn again because there are "falses" pgas...

In the end, everybody is convinced that 2k tables are pga zone. Or better, the only one 2k table is it, with his 7 "chosen players" (why is there always only one 2k table working with 15 watchers? why dont open 3 differents tables, like it happens with 500 tables? That is hurting the game too in my opinion...less watchers and more players please)

It took long time for me to want to play in 2k tables (trying to forget the people advices) and to can understand that there aren't pga's, only lots of silents truces. Anyway that truces are offered to new players too, but they dont always realize (I know what i am saying because i still feel like a noob here, and i still dont always realize, sorry for that ^^ ), and then is when the famous DRAMA starts...someone attack his partner, everybody insults him, people get mad, another players help to kill the "stabber" who broke the silent truce, lot of pges announcements for the future...blood everywhere...

Just not funny at all

In the end, the 2k player have to think twice before to risk his game offering a silent truce to a new/unknown 2k player or offering it to another regular 2k player who sure will understand the move (not because he is a friend, just because he is a regular 2k player). If you choose the first option no problem, everybody is happy. If you choose the second one you are OTF/PGA. Then, if there is an unknown player in the table, are you allowed to attack only to your friends? Isnt that favoritism?

I have a lot of friends here already, and i use to have more that one in all the tables because i play too much, so i have to attack them all the time or i just cant play, but even when i kill a friend someone acuse me of have otfs because in the same game i truced with other player who was my friend too (or maybe wasnt a friend, but people automatically think he is because i truce with him) and suddenly everybody forget the killed one!

Please, just stop that paranoid defamation of social part of the game and stop the unfairs bans based on it, and lets enjoy the game. If every players in the game were friends (or just friendly) the problem would be solved.

sorry Dot... but if you don't think that players are avoiding each other and ready for instant 'silent truces' in the 2k tables... you're wrong.

You actually hit the nail on the head... there are only a handful of players that are playing those tables... so they all get to know each other and, for the most part, either are 'friendly' or are PGE with the others... just the way it is when people play each other that often.

Why are there lots of watchers at the 2k table? Two reasons are obvious... first of all, there are a lot of people that don't have the 2k points to sit yet, but they want to come talk to their friends. Second... even those that do have 2k points sometimes just want to talk to their friends and watch a decent game, if they dont feel like playing themselves.

"sorry Dot... but if you don't think that players are avoiding each other and ready for instant 'silent truces' in the 2k tables... you're wrong."

hmm... didnt come out right. Meant that many players are ready for 'silent truces' before the game begins.

Anyway that truces are offered to new players too, but they dont always realize (I know what i am saying because i still feel like a noob here, and i still dont always realize, sorry for that ^^ ), and then is when the famous DRAMA starts...someone attack his partner, everybody insults him, people get mad, another players help to kill the "stabber" who broke the silent truce, lot of pges announcements for the future...blood everywhere...



i would only change a bit here... instead or DRAMA starts, I'd put FUN TIME STARTS xD

^ its a part from dottirs post :P
forgot the '' ''

I tend to agree with Dot; 2k players play with each other way too much for PGA to be possible. And PGA is a disadvantage in 2k. I never PGA and I have a silent truce in the first 2-3 rounds of 90% of the games. PGA would hold me back; because now I have some alliance that isn't even useful most of the time; plus anyone with half a brain would realize that I ally with the same person each game.

I don't understand how people can claim that there are PGAs on the 2k tables when its like the same 7-10 players during the same daily shifts.

Trust me; I've sat numerous times with Dot and had situations where everyone at the table is my friend. What do I do? The same thing I do every game; silent truce the best candidate and kill everyone else. Rinse and repeat.

its not a 2person pga that people complain about the most. its a 6person pga that they complain about. ofc top players will immediately retort why the fuck would i join a 6player pga, that dont make no sense. when discussed in the past, the general consensus was that a 2player was optimal, 3way got a bit crowded, especially when egos were involved.

but lets forget about the optimal answer. lets just look at 6way pga versus no pga. in a 6way, if youre destined for 7th, its okay, you get 6th. overall, everyone finishes 1/6 place higher than normal. those points definitely add up over the long run. the noobs who get taken advantage of end up lower than usual until they somehow earn their respect up top.

so i agree that noobs have a case against the top players. im not saying i agree with that case (ive said several times over the years that the trick is joining the social club, earning your respect, and then you are 100% equals with everyone else). top players also have good reason to screw noobs because they dont know if they can trust them.

on a case-by-case basis, i would say noobs get screwed more often by 6way silent-truce-experienced top players than vice versa. top players who care about points a lot get very paranoid about trusting noobs, since theyve been screwed by them a handful of times in the past.

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"i would say noobs get screwed more often by 6way silent-truce-experienced top players than vice versa"

Similary you cant hope win to your chess teacher in your first chess class, and nobody blame him because of that. He is the teacher and you still have to learn the game.

I mean, doesnt exist a 6way silent truce. You are just new on a game about silent truces and you play against others experienced players. You only need to learn to play it or you will get screwed for sure, because you are new, and they arent. Not only in kdice, in every games and every things you do in the life the most important is the experience. That "PGA" word is only a nice excuse to explain why you lost the game, and maybe im a little naive, but it is not so extended in high tables like people say. Sure there are PGAs in the game, but i think its more usual in 100 tables, not in 2k

"i would only change a bit here... instead or DRAMA starts, I'd put FUN TIME STARTS xD"

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