fine, maybe none of us know the proper usage of the word "ethical"... i was just responding to the OP who asked "is that an ethical deal?", and in my mind it was pretty obv what he meant by that question.

was it dirty? yeah. is it okay to be dirty in this game? hell yes.

back to the scenario, i wouldve thought purple would be more upset than brown. its pretty low to accept someones flag and then watch them sit there and not help until you offer him 1st. if i were purple there, as soon as Jason T said he wanted 1st, i would IMMEDIATELY start chatbox manipulating brown into trucing me for 1/2 and we both turn on the scumbag Jason T who just abused his vflag to try to weasel his way into 1st. im 80% sure i could convince anyone in browns spot to truce me there (instead of keep fighting me). and then id strongly suggest a rolloff for 1/2 right as soon as we decide to truce against Jason T.

now, if das were brown, he would say hell yes we are going to take down Jason... BUT only if das gets 1st, because he would realize he now has leverage on me as soon as i counterpropose this to Jason T's proposal to take 1st. because he would realize i would be trapped into either 1) being 2nd to Jason T, whom i now hate as a backstabber, or 2) being 2nd to das (brown), whom i dont quite hate as much.

egofests are so lame.

nice pompous ass response, deadcode

skrum heres what happens in that scenario (if im the person in power):

teal: monte, i flag for 2nd
monte: is that a flag TO ME?
teal: no worries, i flag 2nd
monte: IS THAT FLAG EXPLICITLY TO ME, SUCH THAT YOU WILL REFLAG UNDER ME IF I START TO DIE?
monte: ANSWER ME BEFORE MY TURN OR I WILL DESTROY YOU, AND THEN FLAG 2ND WILLINGLY TO WHOMEVER WANTS 1ST.
teal: umm, geez, dont freak out, its just an internet game
monte: ITS MY FUCKING LIFE. DO YOU FLAG >>TO ME<< OR NOT????
teal: fine, i flag to you, chill out.
monte: ok, cheers, gl with 2nd :)

im too lazy to look up the definition of ethics on wikipedia and veta is no longer around to link me. dead, is lying considered ethical/unethical, or is that outside the scope of ethics?

im not talking about kdice.

Yes I agree; I think angling for 1st after flagging in this scenario is very rarely profitable. Good players would instantly use that against you in chat and likely end with you getting 3rd. Seeing as that didn't happen you were lucky.

Generally it is good to be honest; because players have a memory; and dishonesty will cause players to retaliate in future games. Think of the principle as trying to keep the most people in good relations.

However there are scenarios in KDice where it is impossible to make everyone happy. In these cases; do whatever is in your own best interest. Good relations is a means to an end. Winning is that end. Don't be confused about what is more important.

nice troll jcp

I think lying in real life is unethical; but lying within the context of a war game is not.

War is about deception. Think of it as the difference between poker and real life. Poker is a game of deception as well.

However; as most people will attest; I actually don't lie in KDice. At least none that I can think of. That is because I play by strict game theory.

Think of me as the trusting, vengeful player.

However I do enjoy watching other people use their own theories; including dishonest ones. I think it adds to the game; and makes it more challenging.

yeah but does poker have anything resembling a vflag?

anyways, i think we can agree on the OPs question. we both think its an ass move, and hes lucky it was against weak players who didnt take advantage of it.

i think the 100% non-lying tactic is suboptimal, as ive already suggested ITT. you should try to expand it.

two situations where flagging/backstabbing works to your longterm benefit:
1) youre backstabbing a known asshole (think: yodel). the people who see you do this LOVE you for doing it, and the memory will pay dividends in future games (yes, this is tricking them into giving you game-to-game favors)
2) youre fuckin pissed at the guy because he forced you to flag in a demeaning way (not going into details of all the ways this is possible). you flag just because you know that you know youre going to stab him as soon as you stack, since you have an ubereasy win once you stack. once you successfully stab, sure he is pissed, but now both he and all your opponents that game know that you cant be treated like a weak player. this, imo, will result in more people avoiding making an enemy of you in the future, and therefore more points.