watch SiCKO you ignorant bastard

Lol; isn't being an ignorant bastard a prerequisite for watching Michael Moore films? :p

Hahahaha! deadcode beat me to the reply, but seriously... Michael Moore? That's your standard for intellectual debate? Wowie wow wow. (I've seen it btw.)

I think it's ignorant to not give both sides of an issue equal clout when making a decision one way or another. I'd challenge anyone to make a counterweight documentary to SiCKO that shows how much better our system is than say any other NATO nation.

emphasis on challenge, because the entire premise is impossible. we all know healthcare doesn't operate under freemarket condition (nor could it) much like utilities, police forces,and fire departments. these are not things that function effectively under the freemarket. as such they should be run by nonprofit firm such as the government or an agency there of. shit in the old days the church ran all the hospitals, the point is it was never a for-profit industry (and not because no one tried, but because its horribly inefficient).

cosmetic surgery on the other hand is an example of freemarket dynamics at play and as a consequence cosmetic surgery service has been improving and prices have been falling.

while regular healthcare and surgical procedures have been diminishing in quality and increasing in relative cost to ppp.

if you can't recognize that then you're blind as shit to the facts and it's not even worth wasting my time arguing with you.

BO: "... you're blind as shit to the facts and it's not even worth wasting my time arguing with you."

Then why are you? And lol at "wasting your time"; you are a college student with no job. I'm sorry I distracted you from beer pong and smoking pot.

Btw; you posted in my thread; so even if you are wasting time; it is self inflicted.

YEAH, YOU TELL HIM DC!!!

I think this sort of thing is inevitable for government run healthcare. With healthcare costs increasing by so much every year, at some point it's simply impossible to pay for it all through taxes, and the only solution under that sort of system is to cut back services.

It's only a matter of time before it happens in the USA, although I think you could argue that it already has happened. The things that Medicare says aren't covered, and the things various HMOs and other insurance plans decide are not covered (the list increasing all the time). Aren't those pretty much the same sort of thing?

I've personally switched to a high deductible HSA plan for my family. It is the closest to a free market plan that I can get through my employer. It lets me get whatever services I want, though I also pay for what I use, rather than the "all you can eat" style of the other plans. The funny part to me is that there is only a very narrow range of spend where the high deductible plan would cost me more than the traditional plans--in almost all cases, it is the "cheapest" option as well.

I do hope that more Americans will wake up and realize that universal "free" health care is not free, and as a country we cannot afford to provide unlimited health care to everyone, especially in the "all you can eat" style where once you pay your fixed premium, you have almost no incentive to curtail your use of medical services. We've already reached the point where being a doctor is starting to look like being a government worker, and the best and brightest are all but certain to look for more lucrative professions. Continuing down the path we are on will only make things worse.

I completely agree