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Why I will stop playing Kdice... and so do many other people.
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WWCSD wrote
at 1:55 AM, Thursday July 14, 2011 EDT
About two months ago I found this website because I really liked risk and so this game seemed really like it. I started playing it on my iphone on the bus, in between classes or when I was on my dorm taking a study break.
I think is a great game. One of the best online. I love the strategy to it and the social aspect. That was until about a few weeks ago. I realized that its mostly social... or whether or not your friends play it. I play it alone and have found it really challenging to rank up in my second month. This month however I have cracked a good plan to follow if you plan to play it as it is supposed to. 15 of my friends started playing this about 2 months ago. Now only 3 of us play it. I wonder what the percentage of active accounts/total accounts is. I really don't understand why it is not made with random tables. Just like the tourneys. I understand it would take longer but I really believe more people would play it if it was done that way, therefore decreasing the time it would take to make several tables. Group people together that have played the least among themselves. Quite a simple algorithm that could be made with something similar to a hashtable and a hashfunction. That would solve the PGA problem that kills the real competition of the game. For those of you who play the game the best this is what I have observed to be successful in the two months I have been playing. - Play in the tourneys...(this is where I find that most skillful players win often) yes there are also pgas but they won't always be together since tables are made randomly. - Avoid the 2ks or 5ks tables until 5 days before the close of the month and go to those tables during high traffic hours. - Try to switch up tables every other game. - Do PGE people that PGA with others. Teach them a lesson. I will finish up this month and try to get a top 25 badge and that will be it for me. Cheaters have really taken the fun out of it. |
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jurgen wrote
at 7:58 AM, Thursday July 14, 2011 EDT even I passed: tl dr (but maybe later)
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Boner Oiler wrote
at 8:03 AM, Thursday July 14, 2011 EDT I agree with that sentiment Rob. When you first stick your neck out in 2k and 5k you lose, big time. I remember getting fucked by das and sam on more than a few occasions. But I learned from it. It too appeared like PGA/foul play but, being competitive as I am, rather than getting disillusioned I decided to do the same. So that was what drove my foray into PGAing and cheating in general. Not much later and I was doing alright on the big tables. That sort of racket can only last so long though, because in reality the reason you were getting fucked wasn't because people were cheating. It was because you didn't understand the social aspects of the game.
This is how a lot of people get into cheating and for some its just hard OTFs, and for others its legitimate PGA rings. Ultimately though a good player grows out of that. Eventually you realize you don't need to cheat to win on the big tables, in fact after a certain point it hinders you. It's hard to OTF or truce everyone when you have a PGA to take care of, so in the long run (if you're skilled) you're better off without it. If you're a real boss at the metagame you'll eventually be able to direct the entire table from start to finish. You'll be able to feel out who you can ally/will ally and you'll be able to get your competition to cripple itself to your advantage. Regardless of how you manage it, chatboxing, your moves, your truces, etc. that is proof that you've mastered the game. |
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mr Kreuzfeld wrote
at 8:10 AM, Thursday July 14, 2011 EDT BO, I gotta say, you really don't need to have won a month to know what is going on, especially nowadays where winning is just about member tourney + time.
I do agree that you need to be capable to win to know the game, but there are many, oldschoolers that never did bother to go for winning a month, but was plenty capable. I would say that several top25 earned on 2k and higher should suffice plenty. but maybe I am just nitpicking. if you want to ease into the 2k tables WWCSD, then just buy membership, and play membertourney, it is similar play, but much cheaper in terms of points. |
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montecarlo wrote
at 8:55 AM, Thursday July 14, 2011 EDT ive never calculated the total amount of points added to the system through the members tourneys, so here goes (assuming a 30-day month):
29 days per month (last day has no members tourneys) * 3 members tourneys per day * 7,500 bonus points per member tourney... 652 500 all other tourney bonuses in a 30 day month average out to... 1 182 971 for a monthly tourney total of 1 835 471 last month (seemed like a high month btw), the top 25 totaled... 1 484 149 just putting things in perspective. the only other sources of points in the system are: 25 000 for membership 250 for friend referral 70 per 0 table (-50-40-10+0+10+40+120) but, back to shevs point, which others have echoed... if youre going for 1st, you cant join most of the tourneys because you have too many points. but if youre a member you can always join member tourneys. basically, youre at a huge disadvantage if you want to win a month against a member who is also trying to win the month. |
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montecarlo wrote
at 8:56 AM, Thursday July 14, 2011 EDT oops
2 500 for membership ive been playing too much gpokr recently |
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montecarlo wrote
at 9:02 AM, Thursday July 14, 2011 EDT anyways, i agree with most points which people have voiced so far. dead and BO are too busy talking at each other to realize that they are both correct, just talking about different things.
dead is talking about succeeding as in top 25 or so. BO is talking about succeeding as in a gold png trophy. i think there are 2 major jumps in kdice, 1 to go from 500 table success to 2k+ table success, and 1 to go from silver png to gold png. dead is offering excellent advice on how to tackle the first hurdle, while BO is offering excellent advice on how to tackle the second hurdle. but like kreuz says, there is a huge population who have reached the top levels of the game without ever getting (or going for) gold. in order to get gold, you have to do a fair amount of nasty stuff: 1) either use a shit ton of time by playing games or 2) use a shit ton of kissass metagame, and become political. lots of top players (ex: verm) enjoy the strategic aspect, and the social aspect, but abhor the political aspect (sorry if 'political' isnt the correct word... perhaps 'bullshit' would be more appropriate), and so are content to get top 25s. |
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Cal Ripken wrote
at 9:04 AM, Thursday July 14, 2011 EDT hey remember ELO
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Travis O Johnson wrote
at 10:16 AM, Thursday July 14, 2011 EDT lol at the ELO reference
DeadCode is one of the best players that play kdice point blank period |
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WWCSD wrote
at 10:25 AM, Thursday July 14, 2011 EDT Thanks for the replies. While I understand that there are silent truces, very much do, sometimes players do actions that obviously benefit someone else and don't benefit them the most while they know it. This becomes a trend in a game and that's what I call PGA.
Example: I was playing with Das and I flagged. While I don't recall having played with him, he ignored the flag and continued to attack me and everyone else in the table aside from one person. Visit his reviews for my feedback. Example 2: LongHair farms people that are not his friends. This cost me one game. "Oops didn't see your flag". Obviously everyone else in the table. You can't be nice if you want to win. You can't. But you can be fair and that's what you would expect if you are to have the best of the best. Unless a player will not give me their physical flag I rarely turn down flags. I have only back stabbed once(retaliation from the precious game). RYAN RYAN RYAN: I have worked on many applications, iphone apps and I work with a developing team. I am interested in buying a part or the whole game. I will see if I can reach in another way. If anyone knows his email, please let me know. With more, not annoying, advertisements this site could be more popular, be better regulated and generate more income; even have tourneys with prizes. I have really good ideas that have proven effective in the apps that I have developed in the past. |
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jurgen wrote
at 10:31 AM, Thursday July 14, 2011 EDT guys, you are amazing! In 25ish posts, you convinsed WWCD to go from "I"ll quit this site at the end of the month" to "I'll buy and develop this site"
GOOD JOB! |
