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Why I will stop playing Kdice... and so do many other people.
WWCSD wrote
at 1:55 AM, Thursday July 14, 2011 EDT
About two months ago I found this website because I really liked risk and so this game seemed really like it. I started playing it on my iphone on the bus, in between classes or when I was on my dorm taking a study break.

I think is a great game. One of the best online. I love the strategy to it and the social aspect. That was until about a few weeks ago. I realized that its mostly social... or whether or not your friends play it. I play it alone and have found it really challenging to rank up in my second month. This month however I have cracked a good plan to follow if you plan to play it as it is supposed to. 15 of my friends started playing this about 2 months ago. Now only 3 of us play it. I wonder what the percentage of active accounts/total accounts is.

I really don't understand why it is not made with random tables. Just like the tourneys. I understand it would take longer but I really believe more people would play it if it was done that way, therefore decreasing the time it would take to make several tables. Group people together that have played the least among themselves. Quite a simple algorithm that could be made with something similar to a hashtable and a hashfunction. That would solve the PGA problem that kills the real competition of the game.

For those of you who play the game the best this is what I have observed to be successful in the two months I have been playing.

- Play in the tourneys...(this is where I find that most skillful players win often) yes there are also pgas but they won't always be together since tables are made randomly.

- Avoid the 2ks or 5ks tables until 5 days before the close of the month and go to those tables during high traffic hours.

- Try to switch up tables every other game.

- Do PGE people that PGA with others. Teach them a lesson.

I will finish up this month and try to get a top 25 badge and that will be it for me. Cheaters have really taken the fun out of it.

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Shevar wrote
at 4:46 AM, Thursday July 14, 2011 EDT
*dropping in for a short rant*

the game is fucking stuck! no changes since ages. Stupid members tourneys generate most of the points and new players are discouraged quickly. Ryan, i know you are totally not reading this since you dont give a shit, but either do something or sell this wreckage of a game. kdice has so much potential, so many proposals have been made, but all you can do is play a boring table with pussyflags or a tourney, where the only interesting part is the final 1v1 battle.
So do something or let others take control!

Boner Oiler wrote
at 4:50 AM, Thursday July 14, 2011 EDT
I think dead gave good advice, for a beginner. The OP is definitely off though, I was simply remarking that ultimately sticking to the small tables as dead does or the OP suggests is a formula for failure. The best analysis of the game and it's dynamics can best be given by people like Monte or Shad, or even myself, that've been in the running multiple times. I'm on my phone so I can't get into it but if someone posts that metagame guide by Monte - that would help this guy out more than anything.
jurgen wrote
at 5:01 AM, Thursday July 14, 2011 EDT
If Ryan would be interested in a reasonable offer, I would maybe buy it and have a good programmer add stuff.

The only problem is the number of paying players dropped under the minimum it needs to be able to afford an external programmer. You can't expect people to code for free. Maybe something can be arranged by an agreement to get paid by the revenues in the future though?
deadcode wrote
at 5:13 AM, Thursday July 14, 2011 EDT
I stay to small tables? BO you are making my point for me. You don't really even play anymore. You just troll the forums.

And if you are really the best player on KDice; why don't you add some more useful tips for this guy; instead of just adding things that were already said; and then insulting those that said them.

As for why I doubt your so called GREAT abilities.

1. You got caught cheating.
2. You admit to cheating.
3. You generally have an overly high opinion of your talents; and fail to impress.

So unless I witnessed this amazing game play; which I haven't. I will just have to chalk it up to probable proxying or shenanigans.

And lol at the never seeing me in a game; you used to follow me around trying to argue politics several months back.
Boner Oiler wrote
at 6:38 AM, Thursday July 14, 2011 EDT
People like me, greek, fiero, etc stick around on the forums because we like the community and feel the game has potential, albeit not meeting it. As far as replay value is concerned I'm afraid to say I've seen and done it all.

The game has a skill curve, sure, but at a certain point you reach the top. If you're somewhat smart you get there eventually and then the game becomes a matter of managing the meta-game. When I say the top of the skill curve I mean that there is always a best move in a situation and a player always recognizes it. I've discussed this with a feel players of merit and most of them agree, after a while there is no thinking involved - the game becomes a process of repetition (Oh Red did X, I better do Y).

Ultimately what differentiates players of this camp,besides PGA and other foul play, is a mastery of the meta-game. The best players not only have a complete grasp of the gameplay but also the metagame. I'd go into more detail but there's such a great thread that monte made about it and I'd rather just find it.

If you can't master this game after a few years then you just may not possess the necessary prowess or mental acumen. I can assure you though, it's not that hard.

If you really want to be a worldclass player then you need to master the metagame and that requires a bit of social finesse. I'm sure you've been around long enough to know the basics of the game (counter trucing and such). But unless you've won a month I don't feel you can say you've mastered the metagame. And you certainly are no position to criticize me.

My performances and months speak for themselves.

As far as cheating is concerned: nobody of decent skill has to cheat to win. But it definitely makes things more interesting, I'm sure fiero, monte, leek, greek, gurgi, dlk, sam, das and everyone else who has ever been a prominent member of the community will tell you. As the above list is proof, plenty of people who cheated don't have to cheat to do well and certainly didn't need to win a month. If they cheated, it was because it made things more fun, albeit for only a while.

Like I said I don't recall EVER playing with you on a regular basis, feel free to ask people who did play with me though. Frankly it's not complicated, my strategy came down to trucing one or two people every game and then getting 1-2-3. Who and why I truced someone simply depended on circumstance. Feel free to ask the moderators, under whose scrutiny I was under. People don't need to cheat to be better players than you dead.

Oh and I'm not sure you can call running into you in a game and asking you to check my forum response "following" you around.

Impressive how spiteful you get so quickly when you lose a political argument dead.
Cal Ripken wrote
at 6:50 AM, Thursday July 14, 2011 EDT
welcome to 2008
Thraxle wrote
at 7:27 AM, Thursday July 14, 2011 EDT
I bet I can turn this into a 100 thread.
Cal Ripken wrote
at 7:35 AM, Thursday July 14, 2011 EDT
oh yeah, how?
Thraxle wrote
at 7:40 AM, Thursday July 14, 2011 EDT
What BO is talking about is quite true, and him and I had many discussions when I was the lone KDice moderator about the hows and whys people cheat. I agree that cheating is not necessary to win, but being a known player IS VERY MUCH needed to win. You must have a personality. You must have "friends" in order to win.

I don't mean friends in the literal sense, and I don't mean PGA partners either. You need players that you know and who's playing styles you know. Reacting to a robots' moves is easy enough because it's predictable. Reacting to human beings is much tougher unless you know their playing styles. You also need to know who those players like/dislike, who they are more likely to truce, which players are likely to vflag, which players are more likely to counter a vflag or truce, etc., etc.

The type of play I assume WWCSD has encountered is what some players would call PGA, others would call OTF, but in the end it's just simple knowledge of your opponet and comfortability in trusting them to do what they USUALLY do. A player that has been here for only 2 months will have difficulty knowing the ins and outs of all the players. Silent trucing can be difficult to comprehend without prior knowledge of other players.

My advice to you would be to just keep playing. Learn your opponets, their tendencies, and their tendencies towards the other players on the board. In time you'll have a good feel for how each player will react to certain moves and you can react accordingly. Like monte says all the time, and I 100% agree, you have to take your licks on the 2k and 5k tables for awhile. ALL OF US had to do that at some point. For the most part, none of us knew a single player on this website prior to playing here for the 1st time. Pay your dues at the upper tables, become a "known" player, and earning points will be that much easier.

Of course, some people just get bitter, bitch and moan about every silent truce, double team, backstab, or reward for "not hitting me in round 1". That shit happens on the high tables. Don't react like a dick and just play another game. LEARN from that experience and apply it to how you play the next game.
Cal Ripken wrote
at 7:44 AM, Thursday July 14, 2011 EDT
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