as a progressive, I can tell you skrum that motivation never occurred to me, nor does it explain any reason why I support universal healthcare

there is no doubt that rich americans receive excellent health care. but that doesn't justify denying poor, uninsured people any care at all.

If I had two hours with Rob in person I could convince him that neo-naz... I mean conservativism* is all bullshit to con him and people like him into voting against their own best interest. No shit. I bet I could even do it on skype. That being said he'd probably never agree to it.

Pretty sure that the only opinion that wouldn't be changed is that of the person who "knows he's right" all the time. Based on your extensive 20 years of experience and vast study of wikipedia I'm sure that I'd be foolish not to see things your way. I mean, business as usual in the U.S. has turned this country into a real shithole with no success whatsoever.

I apologize in advance for being a conservative if it offends anyone.

If by chance it does offend anyone and they didn't read this apology........fuck them.

Interesting aspects in no specific order:

a) "universal" means for all of the US... quite a limited universe.

b) Healthcare systems of one nation is related to kdice somehow.

c) Nobody takes into account that there are nations that have a healthcare system covering all citizens.

d) How is wealth of a country defined? I am certain there is measures where the US is leading, e.g. deficit spending, there might be others however.

e) Inheriting a fortune and strengthening the economy through heavy smoking might be considered a social act as else many non-inheriting persons could be out of labor.

e) Inheriting a fortune and strengthening the economy through heavy smoking might be considered a social act as else many non-inheriting persons could be out of labor.

Hehe, pretty funny point. However, I'm pretty sure the money from smoking could spent or even taxed in a way that would generate jobs to compensate for the loss of jobs in the tobacco industry ;)

Ah yes, the past twenty years of "liberal" rule: healthcare reform that was proposed by Republicans in the '90s that only serves to entrench the morally corrupt private insurance industry, mass funneling of capital from the poor into the hands of the mega-rich, de-regulation of almost all major industries, near-universal acceptance of legalized bribery in the form of lobbying, constant chipping away of freedoms of speech and privacy, militarization of the police throughout the entire country, etc.

I mean I really fail to see, outside of either stupidity or brainwashing, how you can claim that the past forty years of American history have been anything BUT extremely neo-conservative, bordering on fascism.

Thraxle, just on a moral basis, people should get a healthcare, don't you agree?

On a moral basis, all people should have jobs and a home too.

you can apply for a job, you can buy a house, but if you have a pre existing conditon, you cannot by healthcare