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Why Am I Still Banned?
Boner Oiler wrote
at 6:12 PM, Friday February 25, 2011 EST
"Accounts don't cheat, people cheat"
-BR
"Sharing is not allowed because it can be used to cheat"
-Thrax

I haven't cheated and I haven't shared Boner Oiler.

Do you know why you're not allowed to speed? Well besides being a convenient way for cops to fund raise it's also a means by which society keeps you safe. Do you know why cops let you off for speeding during emergencies? Because they understand the underlying law is in place to keep you safe, not to stop you from getting your wife to the hospital. Thraxle will like this one: do you know why you're not allowed to kill people? Because it's fucked up and people don't like being murdered. Do you know why you're allowed to kill someone in self defense? Because the underlying reason for the law is to keep you safe, not to make it easy for crazy people to kill you. So what the fuck am I banned for?

Furthermore I wouldn't even played this shitty account if Veta wasn't banned.

By the way Veta wasn't banned for cheating either, it was banned for giving Chase the login info in chat and Thraxle was lurking anyway so it wasn't even ever shared. So why am I banned but people that post how to hack the website and get caught using it are allowed to be unbanned? Why the fuck are mods allowed to be so temperamental and clearly use favoritism in their deliberation. People that are friends with the mods and play on a regular basis can cheat and "hard otf" as much as they want. But because I don't play regularly and I don't care to suck up to the mods I get banned for as much as revolting when SOMEONE ELSE asks me to. This is ridiculous and if it doesn't change you're going to kill the site. Congratulations.

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niggler11 wrote
at 5:48 AM, Saturday February 26, 2011 EST
Just because you say something over and over doesn't make it true Sam. "The jews eat babies." "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction." "Obama wasn't born in america." Show us some proof before you barge in here with accusations. I have explained my case and if you and the collective rest of the mods refuse to demonstrate how what happened is cheating I have no choice but to speak with Ryan on the matter. The facts have been made clear and since you refuse to refer to them I will outline them here AGAIN so that you can point to where the cheating occurred.

February 21st
-I have been waiting for 5k to start for approximately 45 minute.
-I contact Chase and ask him to play a game. Chase is busy. I tell Chase it's been about an hour and I can only play at this time.
-Chase says that he will sit the game so that it can start but he will flag since he cannot play.
-Chase sits an alt we share and the game starts.
-Sam immediately logs in, presumably from lurk-watching my games.
-I notice this and I try to speak with Sam because I assume he saw the shared account. Sam ignores these overtures, presumably because Robocop 2 is on.
-Game continues as expected, I do not recall who won. But I know it wasn't me.

February 23rd
-After two days and many many 5k games I have amassed 200,000 points.
-In an effort to curb my play that day, I log out of Boner Oiler and into the said alt.
-Sam notices this is the same alt that he had seen flag out 7th and confronts me.
-I admit that it is indeed shared and that it is in fact the same account he saw flag out 7th two days ago.
-I explain the circumstances wherein the account was shared and ultimately used to start the game.
-Sam bans alt (justified) and then me (WTF?)
-Sam does not explain why I am banned, nor does he indicate for how long I am banned.

So the facts are as follows:
Boner Oiler was not shared
Boner Oiler did not PGA
Boner Oiler was not funneled (I went over this above if you care to take a look)
Boner Oiler did not EVER cheat.

And if the player is in question rather than the account itself, please name an instance wherein I cheated this month, on ANY account. Sharing is not cheating, sharing is against the rules just like impersonating and harassing someone is against the rules. Sharing is against the rules but it isn't cheating. Funneling, PGAing, Proxying, these things undermine the competitive integrity of the game and they are cheating.

If any moderators (Bone-Roller) need clarification: sharing is against the rules like jaywalking is against the law. Murder is a felony, just as PGAing is a means of cheating. That being said, you can jaywalk across the street to murder someone. But you don't get punished for murder every time you jaywalk. That would be retarded.

I'll be brief because I'm sure this is turning into a montetextwall. I'd probably be the first in the k-community to admit that I have cheated. I have made mistakes and I am very much open about them, unlike many players that show a second face around moderators. I have undermined the competitive integrity of the game. I was punished and rightfully so. But I learned my lesson and if anyone has bothered watching me play I don't need to cheat to win. And in fact I think I would be worse off if I did this month. The community would figure it out and I would be outed as an unskilled player. I would get no recognition and no acclaim. This has been my best month ever and I have done it without using underhanded techniques or strategies. And I am proud of that. I refuse to let some childish grudge that some of the moderators have against me to tarnish my reputation and performance.
Marius_1987 wrote
at 6:36 AM, Saturday February 26, 2011 EST
Veta, you may feel hard done by, but having someone sit your (shared?) alt and instaflagging it is obviously dodgy, regardless of if you win the game or not. Random people instaflagging is part of the game, but surely you see the difference between that and having someone sit YOUR alt, to start a game for YOU, and then instaflagging? Surely not whats gonna win you the month, but honestly, that was a stupid thing to do, and its just asking for trouble.
Thraxle wrote
at 7:13 AM, Saturday February 26, 2011 EST
Marius hit the nail on the head. This may not warrant a permaban, but as the leader on the leaderboard you must know that your actions will be watched more than any others veta.

You ask if cheating on a 500 is different than cheating on a 5K. I'll ask you, is stealing $500 different than stealing $5,000? Is petty larceny different than grand larceny?

Are high profile criminals watched more carefully than unknown criminals? Are criminals that tend to do high-end heists paid more attention than small-time crooks?

I think you get my point. Marius said it best. You are in FIRST PLACE playing at the highest level table and you call one of the more notorious cheaters/sharers/schemers ON THE TELEPHONE so that he can log into YOUR alt to start a 5K TABLE and then INSTAFLAGS.

That is sharing and funneling all in one action. If you really want a point reset I'm sure it can be arranged, but from what I can see your punishment fits the crime. You claim your month was basically legit and if so, why would you get reset?

Boner Oiler wrote
at 7:16 AM, Saturday February 26, 2011 EST
Sure mar, and the alt was banned and so was I. But this same transgression was commited by Clark and Boogy and they only received a 1 day ban. And in fact Clarke's main was never even banned. So my question is, why is their no consistency then among bannings. Why is my ban more severe and indefinite for essentially doing something less dodgy than Clarke and boogy (boogy didn't flag out, he actually played with Clarke on Clarke's alt for a few games). Why am I being singled out and why have I been harassed and undermined by Sam at any given opportunity?
Marius_1987 wrote
at 7:22 AM, Saturday February 26, 2011 EST
Well, I don't know the full story there, but from what I've heard, there was no instaflag there. The instaflag is key here imo, as you got someone to sit your alt with a decision pre-game that alters the entire game. You, and all others, though they didn't know, took alot less risk playing that game when there is no chance of getting 7th. Not saying that was the reason you did it, but thats a pretty gamechanging factor. One could also argue that you could benefit from knowing he would flag out when making round 1 moves.

I get its frustrating waiting 40 minutes for a game, but you made a silly call there imo, and it surely wasn't worth it.
Holy War wrote
at 7:25 AM, Saturday February 26, 2011 EST
Id say, unban him, and make proxy cheating legit
I mean, whats the matter with having different punishments?
Marius_1987 wrote
at 7:28 AM, Saturday February 26, 2011 EST
Oh and I've not got enough knowledge of what punishment different actions warrant to comment on it, I just thought I'd give my 2 cents, since you seemed to think what you did wasn't wrong. Not having a dig, just trying to offer some input.
Boner Oiler wrote
at 7:30 AM, Saturday February 26, 2011 EST
I'm not sure what you're talking about Thraxle maybe it's this:

"Why is it not considered funneling when this is done on 500s as opposed to 5000s by some mods? "

Yes that might be what you're talking about. Shevar told me that for some reason you are allowed to tank on 500s (by the way 10 = one 5k game) but not 5k games. This is arbitrary, if someone tanks 10 games with the same 6 people it's essentially equivalent to tanking 1 game in 5k and is therefore just as bannable is it not? In fact it should be more so because it probably made a difference in more peoples scores and therefore undermined the competition for more people.

Yes, Thraxle, larceny and grand larceny are different degrees of the same crime. But they are both theft. Just like driving drunk and larceny are both felonies. Running a red light and driving drunk however are not both felonies, one is a misdemeanor. Just as what I happened with that alt wasn't cheating. The alt was shared and it was banned, as it should be. But then I was banned, without recourse and without any length given on my punishment. Explain to me how that is upholding the fairness and integrity of the website. If you can't then you might as well just reset me, I'll just win next month instead.
Boner Oiler wrote
at 7:32 AM, Saturday February 26, 2011 EST
The flag was indeed instant and it occurred in the first round. Probably as soon as Chase could check it, but I guess we can ask him.
Marius_1987 wrote
at 7:40 AM, Saturday February 26, 2011 EST
"Running a red light and driving drunk however are not both felonies, one is a misdemeanor. Just as what I happened with that alt wasn't cheating"

Yes there are different degrees of cheating, but you surely see how a pre game decision to have someone sit for you and instaflag can be considered cheating? The reason you are banned is obviously because you were the one arranging it, as opposed to when people are tanking on their own initiative. I agree that people tanking can be just as bad in many cases, but the difference in how this was arranged is just giving the mods a reason to ban you, and really, what choice do they have? You had a solid lead, and if you feel like the mods are targetting you, then just don't take risks like this. No need to keep pushing the limits, and then you won't need to suck up to anyone, as there won't be any reason for them to ban you.
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