How were the people no harm to his vehicle? You're telling me a mob of people can't flip a car over and kill those inside? Really? Was the vehicle charging into people before the mob descended upon the vehicle? NO, it wasn't.

I'm not saying the driver did right, I'm just saying that he probably freaked out and drove away the fastest method possible. If he hadn't drove away, he'd probably be dead right now.

"How were the people no harm to his vehicle? You're telling me a mob of people can't flip a car over and kill those inside? Really? Was the vehicle charging into people before the mob descended upon the vehicle? NO, it wasn't.

I'm not saying the driver did right, I'm just saying that he probably freaked out and drove away the fastest method possible. If he hadn't drove away, he'd probably be dead right now."

Yes because when I think "revolution for freedom" I think about crazed murders that flip over cars. You are making assumptions left and right, "maybe they were attacking the car" that's not visible, "maybe the guy was threatened or scared", how can you tell that, "maybe crowd was violent", there's nothing to suggest that. People like Mars were in that crowd, and I'd imagine you're not afraid Mars would murder you in your car while you tried to drive by, no matter the circumstances.

I don't care what assumptive bullshit justification you can come up with, NOTHING justifies this, and even if all the shit you assumed were (which it is not as per the video) it still doesn't justify these actions and there were a million ways to not kill anyone in this situation. Clearly the driver was out for blood, and your defending his thought process isn't making you exactly the champion of democracy.

The driver purposely took a route that inflicted more injury on the crowd than was even necessary if he was threatened by them. Which I severely doubt he wasn't since there isn't a single report of rioters killing anyone. In fact quite the contrary, the police, military, and no even diplomats have killed rioters. It's good thing you don't run the country Thraxle, we might have a riot of our own on our hands.

***The driver purposely took a route that inflicted more injury on the crowd than was even necessary if he was threatened by them. Which I severely doubt, since there hasn't been a single report of rioters killing anyone. In fact quite the contrary, the police, military, and now even diplomats have killed rioters. It's good thing you don't run the country Thraxle, we might have a riot of our own on our hands.

veta, im with thrax here.

i think the following explanation is perfectly reasonable:

driver: oh SHIT everyone is coming towards my van. oh shit theyre getting closer oh shit oh shit oh shit i shit my pants.

driver floors it so that he doesnt get surrounded.

driver sees he is about to paste someone in the middle of the street head on going 40+mph, OH SHIT DONT RUN OVER THAT DUDE, OH SHIT, TURN RIGHT!!

driver then, on a kneejerk split-second reaction, avoids hitting one person in his headlights, and inadvertently runs into the crowd.

look, im not saying this is FACT. but its believable. so is the scenario where the driver is a schizo govt fascist racist mofo, who is out for blood, and tries to kill as many people as possible.

i just tend to believe the first scenario. why? because if i were that driver, some low-level nobody who is working for the govt, and has a job to do (get somewhere), i would fuckin freak out if i saw a mob of people collapsing on my van, in the dark, while an uprising is taking place in my country. i just tend to believe that the driver is some nobody, not a premeditating govt ass.

meh.

i just see this as a basic fight-or-flight scenario. you cant possibly think the drivers actions are premeditated/rational in this situation.

so (thrax and) i propose to assume that he is stressed to a breaking point, and irrational. you are proposing that he is rational, and corrupt. to each his own. we are both making assumptions.

mars, praying for you and yours.

Well put monte.

Veta, I'm taking the situation for what it is, not what I'm assuming. The vehicle was clearly stopped near the beginning of the video, and it wasn't till the crowd gathered around the vehicle did it make it's way to punching it through the crowd.

You are making my statements political when they are clearly not.

You are taking shots at me when I have take none at you.

You are questioning my ethics, beliefs, and morals simply from my observation of a video.

I would suggest that my mind is clearly seeing this while yours is clouded by hate and mistrust. But hey, that would be wrong of me to assume I know who you are or what you're about simply by your observation of a video.

Again, I digress...

Monte, if you're right and this is just a low level dude that just works for the government (with what I assume is a provided government car) to provide for his family, then what does he have to be afraid of. The people were already clearing out of his way, it did not seem necessary for a prudent person to speed up their vehicle in this situation as this van did.

That being said, what both of you are misunderstanding here is the context of the situation. This is not the only occurrence if vehicular manslaughter by government vehicles. There's at least a few more videos like this on the website I posted, of lesser degree. In each case it is difficult to argue that the car was not intentionally trying to injure civilians in order to quell the riots. I'll give you that, out of context, it seems like the guy had to have been fearing for his life because there is no way a normal person would do this intentionally. However, keeping in mind that Mubarak turned off the communications networks of the country, killed hundreds with police and military brutality during this black out, and is refusing to give up power for the time being, it seems like this was pretty much intentional, if not at first, after he swerved into the crowd of people on the sidewalk.

Could he have continued going 15-25MPH through the protesters as to give them time to move? Yes. Did He? No. That is what I am condemning, and I will not be slow to condemn anyone that tries to rationalize otherwise.

I don't care if the guy driving was clinically insane, he shouldn't have been driving then. And even if they were panicked (which they shouldn't have been, since they were in a metal vehicle and the people were unarmed) then they still should be tried for this.

Like I said, even with the-best-case justification for doing this, it is still fucked up and you should not go anywhere near defending this.

This is akin to nuking a country because they have a large population and looked at us wrong.

Just so we're clear, I am condemning people who think you can justify brutally murdering people.

Even if his family and his own life were in direct danger (which they weren't) that still doesn't justify running over 20-30 people.

Even if this guy was under some ridiculous duress we can't know, and paranoid or scared that he might be killed by the crowd, it still doesn't defend the act of increasing speed and driving over a dense crowd. There is guy being hurled 20 feet in this video. That shit is fatal. The guy probably had a family and kids, or at the very least a mom and dad. That guy and everyone else was out there trying to oust a dictator and corrupt government, doing what he thinks is best for his descendants and countrymen. And you dare justify the driver's actions, as though he has some moral superiority that leaves him infallible?

Suggesting being irrational and scared justifies this is like suggesting that vehicular manslaughter is okay if you're drunk. It's not, it actually makes it worse because a prudent person should know to not be driving under those conditions. This guy should be tried to the fullest extent of the law.

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