its just getting worse. In members tourny, one player gets a 5 stack, and before round two is rolled we hear, "Do you accept Vflags?" and from a second player(at a 5 player table, I will flag too.

1-2-3 decided without a second roll because one 5 stack(not an 8) but one 5 stack was built. This game really does suck now, cause I cant play that way, and destined to lose a lot because I wont surrender round one or surrender 3rd or 4th like I see for that matter

You are saying that you have a group of unannounced long-term relationships that you can cooperate with and you know they won't backstab you.

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If you consistently make secret truces and pass up opportunities to win the game because you want to help a long term relationship, this is PGA and it is cheating.
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Normally I wont punish fin for moving his 7 stack away from me in silent cooperation, unless I really need to attack it to win.

If I am threatened I might truce fin in chat or I might truce someone else and crush him. If I am not threatened then I'll just cooperate silently.

The fact that the alliance isnt guaranteed is what makes our relationship legitimate and not a PGA.

You are trying to define systemic favor-trading and faithfully honoring long-term relationships as legitimate!

Wake up douchebag! All the old school guys who you think were evil "PGAs" in fact cheated a lot less than the people now. The game was a lot more competitive.

YOU SHOULDNT TRUST ANYONE, EVERYONE SHOULD BE TRYING TO WIN. IT SHOULD BE COMPETITIVE! There should be 7 people independently using the gameboard and chatbox to win the game.

You ARE the problem with kdice. You should be afraid that occasionally potato WILL punish you for moving your 7 stack the other way because its his best chance to win that game. And you should occasionally attack po when he moves his 7 stack because it is your best chance to win.

You say the game isnt competitive, but then you complain that more people aren't reliable as long term PGAs.

The cabal is one of the most notorious and successful PGAs in kdice history, but in all the games they are at least trying to beat each other.

From what you are describing with potato, and what is typical of what i see at the high tables in the new era-
the is far less competitive and far worse PGA than anything the cabal did.

Yeah maybe they used offclient IMs to coordinate and cheat a few games. But they often screwed each other over to win the game.

Now you just have a billion friendly douchebags that never screw anyone and let the dice and number of friendships determine the outcome.

Nice spin. I said, for mutual benefit. It didnt matter if it was Tater or Sam or virtually any player that played those tables. There were few exceptions, players that were either A) Untrustworthy backstabbers(ie getting weakstepped) or B) Unknowns

It made it difficult for new players to boards as rule was you couldnt trust a new player to understand how game is played, so you had to truce in chat, which signified a good chance at death because of the counter that surely would overwhelm.

btw, working on silent truces is hardly pga but proxying to have multiple accounts play each other in same game like you do(did) is very much cheating

I blame the score reset every month. Letting a much larger pool of people compete immediately dilutes the game play at the top tables.

I'm all for anyone being able to play at the top tables, but they should have to work for it to get up there. Getting up to the 2ks in the ELO days required a lot of practice and experience. Thus, you'd get there finally and not play like a scared little pansy, which is the popular style of play currently.

Question for yall. Am I a new style or old style player? Just curious cause I think I am old style, but I am kind of in the middle...It is a sad problem, I know :(.

It always makes me chuckle when the biggest cheater in the history of the game attempts to say much of anything about how people shouldn't cheat.

Fin, just because you are socially retarded doesn't mean the game should be changed to your liking. If you were anything of a good player you would adapt to changes in the game. A more chat-box oriented game is not necessarily a worse one just because you think it is.

Also, SG is wrong to say their aren't PGAs anymore, but he is correct otherwise. The players today don't have all the other player's IMs and don't run around to tables with groups of friends. We play most of our games with completely different sets of people. This is why the chat box has become important, because so many different people are playing at the higher tables now, and you don't know what to expect, so you must verbalize your intentions.

Frankly, it seems to me that your just jumping on the reminiscent band-waggon as an excuse to quit, which I don't much understand because you weren't all that good at the old system either. Why don't you just go ahead and quit and spare us all the headache. THANKS!

Being new does not necessarily mean that you are worse than old dicers,there is always someone better...And as in life,if you can't adapt yourself,you won't survive,do not blame others for that and stop blaming people for the things you have mastered.

leek its simple the game and the way the game is won has evolved and you didnt. you may have don well as a monkey swinging in the trees but then man came with his fire and his bows and arrows and kicked your ass. and your screaming foul because your banana wasnt good enough to placate him. who cares how the new players would have done in the elo days? it doesnt matter. this isnt the elo days anymore, and some players have adapted (monte, das, jpc, a whole bunch of them). now getting back on the original thread. team games would be kinda cool to see all and all an interesting idea

I would love to see team play.

Something has to keep me intrested in playing the game.

I think the major frustration I have with the new stlye player is no one plays to win anymore. I am with Fin I can't stand the vflag players. But you all have heard me complain enough about that.

Now that people are too scared to lose their points that they are willing to let weak plays and weak players run games I say let them have thier game. Give us that come to play to win, a game that we could enjoy. Maybe no points or medals for the most wins not just medals for points. Team play would be great

Or how about a month with the insta death flag again.

I am not above diplomacy but this new style has me fuming more that smiling.