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Top Player Culture Change
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Ryan wrote
at 4:37 PM, Thursday November 6, 2008 EST
Things have dramatically improved this year for the culture of the top players. The improvement is these players being more interested in playing a good game than favoring their friends to get a higher rank.
However there are still a few top players around that get ahead by favoring each other. I'm surprised they're still able to get away with this. I see it as lame. Most other players do to. Yet they are still able to get away with it. It's important for the better players to look down on this type of play because I can't monitor every game. Things need to change at the top tables. To players should feel confident in pointing out this cheap style of playing and acting accordingly. I'd like people to post here if they're interested in helping to change the culture at the top tables. The goal for the culture at the top is to respect a good game and see players who need extra help to win as poorer players. |
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MadWilly wrote
at 8:56 AM, Friday November 7, 2008 EST I guess since I'm none of the Top players, I guess this topic doesn't apply to me anyhow, does it?
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Cal Ripken wrote
at 8:57 AM, Friday November 7, 2008 EST Ryan's post wins.
Maybe we (top table players) should talk about what we can do specifically? |
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rigor mortis wrote
at 9:16 AM, Friday November 7, 2008 EST ryan's post FAILS.
you can't say "*i* see this not-so-well-defined problem, and i expect *you* to fix it" as you met out arbitrary punishment to people you deem violators. you want a certain "culture"? define it! "look down on people who don't respect the game" is a pretty hard rule to follow. |
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Ryan wrote
at 9:25 AM, Friday November 7, 2008 EST Rigor, grow up. You want to be spoon fed how to play fair? Look around you, friends, family, country, and find a good example of decent values. Then take that and apply it to the game. If you don't have any examples of good values then learn or you're not a good fit for the top players and I'll have to enforce that if others don't. If you CAN recognize good values and don't feel it necessary to use them in a simple online game that should be only for fun then don't try and compete to be a top players - we want some integrity and those without will get booted.
If you still don't get it please let me know that you'll no longer be competing for a top spot. |
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Ryan wrote
at 9:27 AM, Friday November 7, 2008 EST also: culture is not born from a definition but from people who share values and the value I'm trying to seed is fairness.
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Master of MTT wrote
at 9:32 AM, Friday November 7, 2008 EST Just ban them.
"2) anonymize tourneys (from willy and lots of other people ive talked to over the past couple days... mostly newer players actually). this would sadly require more coding, and Ryan has already coded a shitload recent" Useless. Newbies (people who resort to PGA's) would just use IM to identify each other. |
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ChristianSoldier wrote
at 9:34 AM, Friday November 7, 2008 EST "ADDING NEW CONSTRAINTS, STRUCTURE, MODS, RULES, POINT SYSTEMS WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM"
Providing a game playback mechanism falls into none of these categories incidentally. It is shining the bright light of exposure onto the murky dealings of our corrupted aristocracy. A significant part of the magic mojo that allows players to get away with cheating is the immediate decay of hard evidence. There have been succesful enforcements as the result of chatbox copy/paste into the forum and yet this is still considerably limited. Further, it would be a lovely feature for a variety of other reasons I suspect you can imagine. |
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Master of MTT wrote
at 9:36 AM, Friday November 7, 2008 EST Just ban them.
"2) anonymize tourneys (from willy and lots of other people ive talked to over the past couple days... mostly newer players actually). this would sadly require more coding, and Ryan has already coded a shitload recent" Useless. Newbies (people who resort to PGA's) would just use IM to identify each other. |
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Master of MTT wrote
at 9:37 AM, Friday November 7, 2008 EST Strange.
Posting on this thread: http://www.kdice.com/discussion/topics/44768153 Result in post appearing on this thread. |
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bcmatteagles wrote
at 9:39 AM, Friday November 7, 2008 EST Well Ryan, I guess your post was the essence of what I was thinking too. I think it can only be managed by self policing and a general consensus for fair play based on who makes the most intelligent calculated risks and smartest diplomacy in games.
I don't think it's that hard to go from where we are now to where you think things should be. Like you said there's a small number of the top players that actually represent the negative culture. |