OK Thrax, Here's why you should vote for Obama.

1. You're very interested in taxes and how much money you make - You'll get a tax cut and so will almost every American from the lower class up to the upper middle class. The upper class will get a tax increase and NO it will not cause them to cut jobs, that's just stupid. It'll cause them to buy a BMW instead of a Mercedes - that's reality.

Read more about how Obama's Tax policy proposals will actually put money in your pockets - http://taxcut.barackobama.com/

>>Every time I bring up Obama's lack of experience someone throws Palin in my face (which isn't a bad prospect). But again, I'm not voting Palin to the office of President. I'd much rather the #2 exec have little experience than the #1.

Obama has proven himself to be a capable leader in his short stint in the Senate as well as with the way he's run his campaign. I read both of his books and respect his opinion and upbringing. He's very intelligent but also personable. He's proven in the numerous debates and with the many people that he has rallied to support him that he's got the experience and good judgement to be President.

I found this article to be an excellent overview of how he conducts business and really shows the type of leader that he is - http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1853025-1,00.html



>>Every time I bring up Obama's lack of military background (and by lack I mean the exact same amount as a newborn puppy) I end up hearing crickets chirp. Nobody responds to this comment and rightfully so. It scares the shit out of me that we could have a President with ZERO military experience command our armed forces in the midst of tense conflict in the Middle East.

He's surrounded himself with the right people - Joe Biden, Gen. Colin Powell. There's a long history of Presidents without military experience that serve as very effective commander in chief. I believe he has shown very good judgement in opposing the Iraq war, time tables for Iraq. The point being he is smart enough to surround himself by good advisors and making smart level headed decisions which is what we need. Just as important we need a President who will help regain our credibility across the globe and I think Obama is more committed to diplomacy then Sen. McCain.

>>Every time I bring up a dislike of Obama's tax policies I'm either ignored or told I'm wrong (although I never get a precise reasoning as to why I'm wrong). Taxing the individuals that already pay the bulk of the taxes in this country is not the way to stoke the economy. Obama is very good at selling his BS to the poor and middle class by giving them guarantees that he'll make your life better by taxing the rich and spreading the wealth. He's popular, I'll give him that. And it's become extremely hip to wear an Obama T-shirt and say your one of his supporters. The truth is that he's an enigma and is more likely than McCain to get this country in trouble and see jobs move offshore.

UGB already explained this to you - he's not helping just hte lower and middle class, he's also helping the upper-middle class in fact it's all but 5% of Americans that will get a tax cut. So Obama is actually cutting taxes and the majority of folks who make the day to day economy go. The upper class spends their money in much different areas (LUXURY GOODS etc which will not stoke the economy). It's not about being popular it's a much more intelligent set of policies to turn this country around and get it back on the right track on economy, foreign relations, energy policy, and the list goes on.

Just thought I should point out, that when it comes to experience, some of the least experienced (in terms of a political career) presidents turned out to be some of the greatest in the history of our country. Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, and Abraham Lincoln.

Thank you meagles.........that's by far the best case I've seen anyone make for Obama.

In my experience the rich guy will be more likely to eliminate a job so he can still buy the Mercedes, but I'm nitpicking now.

I do honestly believe that Obama would go a long way in redeeming the USA's credibility in Europe, but that happens to be missing from my radar of things I care about right now.

It's hard to call anyone a leader with such a small sampling of data, in this case less than a year, but I hope I'm wrong. I'll be casting my vote for McCain in 7 days, although it's probably in vain. I can only hope that my ideas are wrong about Obama and he is able to do everything he's stated he can do.

At least it's not Hillary..............

Not everyone will (or should) cast a vote just because they personally will get more money. Many people were against the economic stimulus package even though they "got more money in their pocket." That money came from somewhere, and right now our deficit is coming primarily from China.

At this point, given the looming crisis that is our aging population and the rapid increase in costs for programs such as Social Security and Medicaid, I just can't stomach another planned trillion dollar increase in spending.

My biggest reason for personally opposing Obama apart from budgetary reasons is his voting history. In his short history in the Senate, depending on the year, he's been anywhere between the most and seventeenth most liberal senator. I don't want anyone that far to the side in either direction to be in charge, _especially_ when their party is likely to control all three branches of government. Regardless of party, I feel that's a bad idea.

Most CONSERVATIVE groups actually only put Obama in the middle of the pack as far as "liberalness" goes.
I'm pretty socially-liberal though, so I see left-wing as a good thing, obvi. :-)

True, it all depends on which analysis you look at. But even when you cherry-pick the study you like, you still can't get him anywhere close to moderate.

And since when do you give credence to conservative analysis? :)

And again, it also depends on the year you look at.

Thraxle,
I make this very simple now (since I did't get satisfying answers from you on my detailed entry). Please answer following questions:

(1) Isn't it short sighted, too, if the only thing you care about is that taxes stay as low as possible - at the expense of the poor people who need help from the state?

(2) Bush implemented various tax cuts, did they do anything good to the economy during the past year, considering that many American industries collapsed? Did Bush do anything good for the American economy at all??

(3) Don't you also think that every American citizen deserves universal healthcare?

(4) Do you really think it's a good idea to support a party whose leaders ignore the consequences of climate change?



Thanks.

Which is more fiscally conservative?

a) Spending a lot of money and not taxing enough to pay for it.
b) Spending even more money but taxing enough to pay for it.

"(1) Isn't it short sighted, too, if the only thing you care about is that taxes stay as low as possible - at the expense of the poor people who need help from the state? "

I don't think too many people would say that is the only thing they care about, but that it is one thing of many they care about.

You could make an equally one sided equation just by flipping the argument around.

"Isn't it short sighted, too, if the only thing you care about is helping people who need to rely on state handouts - at the expense of people who need the money they've earned by actually working?"

Most realistic political arguments are based on tradeoffs. No one wants a dirty filty environment, as a general principle. No one wants policies that prevent business growth, as a general principle. Where do you draw the line between the two, is what most discussions boil down to.

Reducing these to an either-or marginilizes the argument and ignores the situation as it currently is.

ok, I took question one. Someone else can do the other three.

Verm, I'm probably the easiest liberal I know for conservatives to talk to haha.
You should see the people I work and hang out with.
I'm pretty conservative in some aspects, but fiscally and socially in general, I'm going to support the liberal view.