peace is above flag.

No moondust, I'm actually too stupid to have thought of that possibility. You mean people don't sit at a table and say "hey PGA, let's not attack each other so we can win by cheating"? You mean they are actually smart enough to PGA under the guise of a truce. Who would have ever guessed that.

Here are some of the ways that I typically distinguish between a PGA and a legit truce.
PGA's:
1. typically don't attack one another in early rounds even when there is a clear connect to be made or no reasonable explanation to not attack.
2. usually make a truce early on in the round
3. truce when there is no advantage to one, or both members of the PGA.

That's just a few obvious one's that I have noticed personally. I'm sure there are plenty others.

Is there a way of knowing for sure? Of course not. But here's the thing. The fact that PGA's pretend like they are truces really doesn't change the discussion at hand. For one thing, a large majority of truces that are made are legitimately made and deserve to be honored. The fact that there are people that cheat and have PGAs should not be reason to screw over a person that helped you out in a given game. They earned their position. Furthermore, people who are PGAd will support each other no matter what. So even if we were to say flags matter more than truces (which they do not) PGAs would still continue, and they would still pick the PGA over a flag anyway.

Here's the thing... In essence, is a flag not the same as a truce? The ideal of a flag is that it says "hey... im not going to attack you [all the players above me] so please return the favor". So, the very basics of a flag and the very basics of a truce are the same, but the truce has built up throughout the game and by far deserves to be honored more (read my previous post for more of an explanation if you are so inclined).

"How is it possible to "having fun!!!" with people who are always cheating?" REALLY???? First of all, ask the, oh, i dont know, 2 thousand players on kdice that are enjoying themselves and do not cheat. Second of all, am i really to believe that the very small percentage of people that cheat on this game are enough of a reason that kdice is no longer fun? I'm sure i've run across my share of PGAs but I still have a great time. If it is really so awful playing the game with "all those cheaters" i suggest you quit. I hear dicewars doesn't have an PGAs these days.

Truce demands more respect than flag.

If you use a truce you should be prepared to benefit from it or die in the process.

E.G.