truce>flag
but i think that it is very important, that as debwa says, there is more then 1 type of treaties and that people should learn to recognise the difference between a truce and a "peace"/mutual agreement

And I tell you that (1) this game is not about founding teams, or making the best truce... It's about which individual player has the best strategy.

Truces have nothing to do with individual strategy, unlike flags.

(2) You should also consider that it is not allowed that two people(friends), having the same IP-Number (i. e. sitting next to each other) to log in at the same time. The creators of this game installed that function to avoid teaming = to avoid trucing.

(3) Also: there are permanent truces between people (also called PreGameAlliance), so would it be fair that those truces are more important than flags?

(4) If you want to make a truce during a game, you need to speak proper English to "negotiate" the required agreements. Truces often discriminate people whose English is not that good.


I hope I was able to provide some constructive points.

moondust, my 2 cents:

(1) In this game, as in real war, the goal is to achieve the best outcome for yourself. It's about strategy and luck, but making the right alliances (as in real life) is often more important than knowing when to cut or when to risk a 6v6. That's strategy too. Anyway, try dicewars, there is not any chance of trucing there.

(2)The creator installed that function to avoid a elementary way of CHEATING, not to avoid trucing. To avoid trucing he wouldn't have programmed an in-game chat.

(3) PGA is cheating (Ryan stated it), it has nothing to do with in-game trucing. However we can start the 19,876th thread about PGA and discuss about it.

(4) The negotiation is not so hard:
red: truce purp?
purp: yes
red: deal
Even a dumb spaniard with a crap english like me can do it.

And, hey, I'm trying as well to provide some constructive points.

"And, hey, I'm trying as well to provide some constructive points...
Even a DUMB SPANIARD with a crap english like me can do it."

My last and only point to you is:

How can you distinguish a PAG (as you correctly said cheating) from an in game truce?
Also, there are people who become friends while playing and might decide to always support each other in every game in the future. So how can all other players (especially new ones) who don't have that many kdice-friends defend themselves other than hoping that people respect their flags?

Is it really the point of this game that the player who has the most allies hasn't to fear anything anymore (e.g. flags)?

To your first question:
"How can you distinguish a PAG ... from an in game truce? "
Well, in my opinion an in game truce usually is explicit in the chat, a PGA is not.

And, as I said before, answering to the second part of your last post, we could start another long discussion about the essence of a social game. But PGA is unfair and is cheating. End turn.

Cheers,

nuf

P.S.: couldn't you find anything better to quote of my post? or are you just trying to make fun of my english? sigh.

I actually for got to mention why I used that quote:
you said you wanted to contribute something constructive...

But I don't think that calling yourself a "dumb Spaniard" is very constructive, is it?

And about the in "game truce or PGA" point:
People can pretend to not know each other and formally ask for a truce in the chatbox in order to delude the other players...
...Already happened.

I learned today in a game that simply being the first guy that flags 2nd without saying anything while you're firmly at that position means you're actually truced to the guy currently in the first place. And that means everyone else should truce against you two and when the guy that was in the first place loses, it's all your damn fault and you deserve last place. Oh, then it's ok to have the game stalled by not finishing off players and your dom farmed too.

A bizzaro game presented by RascalKing and McCoy.

moondust, your issue appears to be PGA not truces vs. flagging. For that, go to one of the thousands of discussions on PGAing.

My dear Debwa, since you are so clever, you also might want to explain to me how you can distinguish a a truce from a PGA (=cheating).

Are you just too naive or simply not creative enough to think of possibilities to make a PGA (=cheating) look like a truce?



Example (1):
Two players are in a PGA, they talk on MSN or whatever IM and decide to cooperate. So they sit in at the same table. First they don't attack each other and bring themselves in a good position. Suddenly, in round three or so they declare a truce... as players always do.
player one: yellow?
player two(pretending to not knowing what's going on): huh?
player one: are we cool?
player two: I think so.
player one: truce then?
player two: yes.

Now, you tell me how all the other players at the table can know that this is a PGA(=cheating)... And please, do give me an answer to that, because people here tend to ignore the arguments they cannot answer easily.




Example (2):
Two players play at the same table and start a conversation in the chatbox. They become friends and from now on it is understood between them that they don't attack each other in the future - they are in a permanent truce. Fair enough, but is that not also some sort of PGA?
And even more interestingly: What can other players do against that "permanent truce" apart from flagging?

truce > flag

ONLY if it is a decent shout at a truce...

truces seriously suck balls if some dude in 5th truces 1st and gets a result when he blatently dint deserve anything higher than 5th!

also latter round truces are crap too if it comes down to 3 players but tis all part of the game.

soluiton: be the asswipe to truce and get the points even if it turns out to be the less fun way

point > fun...lately imo