kdicefreak: This is a game culture issue and it can't be solved by simply banning players. The true problem is that the game lends itself to the behavior that these players have. So no matter how many are banned new players will learn this behaviour.

I believe the solution is to stop rewarding players for this type of behavior and the ridiculous correlation system aims to do this. At lower tables it will have the effect of taking away the fun from players who like to team up - hopefully forcing them to find another aspect of the game to enjoy. At the higher tables it will put more emphasis on inter-game politics where intra-game politics was far too heavily weighted.

good. i see your point. thanks for the response.

batmandan i saw you too :D

Ryan,

I think you confused inter- and intra-

If you PGA all you have to do to avoid the algorithm is to play in some low point table games with your PGA where you tank while he does well (and vice versa). It also works if you two PGA and rack up the dom but give the first to some unsuspecting and grateful newbie. I'm sure there are other ways to do it (alts seem to help a lot), but the point is made...

I'm not saying this because I PGA, but because the algorithm is not really very good (as it has been described in the past) and only serves to give people a false sense of PGAs being eliminated when it does nothing of the sort...

ltsply2: The type of behavior you're talking about would be one that does not naturally evolve from the game and therefore isn't part of it's culture. The detection is not meant as absolute protection but simply a deterrent.

The more natural outcome is to learn how to win instead of learning how to work around the system.

Ryan... I appreciate what you are saying, but to a lot of people it seems that "learning how to win" means "learning how to work around the system".

there is always going to be someone out there trying to beat the system. but what can we do? it's not like we can throw them to prison. the game is not fair when you are playing with those PGA. but then so is life. but we should not stop trying to make it a better place for everyone, right???

HE WANTS BLOOD DAMMIT, BLOOD!

someone needs to refresh my memory, but i heard of possible pga pairs last month who did precisely what was suggested: go to 0 tables and throw games to get the PGA-sniffer off their tracks. Vermont wanted me to do this with him at one point, and i lol'd. (refresh my memory though, its fuzzy)