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THE CABAL NEVER LEFT, WE STOPPED LOOKING
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leekstep wrote
at 4:24 AM, Friday January 11, 2008 EST
KDICE ? Fun Game.
Once again, I am ?retiring? from kDice while leading the month. I would like to tell everyone that I am once again Retiring because of PGAs and cheating. The truth is that I don?t have the time to play much for the rest of the month. I have no chance of winning. Anyway, I want to APOLOGIZE PERSONALLY to the current Cabal team-PGA members: VERMONT, DASFURY, MONTECARLO, WISHBONE, BCMATTEAGLES, and MADHAT SAM. This Team of PGAs are no worse than any of the other groups at the elite tables. But since they are the most successful, most innovative, and best players - who frequently determine the outcomes of games based upon PGAs (rather than the game itself or the chatbox)? ?I feel IT IS FAIR to target them as a group (even though they are all great guys personally). For example, Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds aren?t the only people to use steroids in baseball, but everyone focuses on them because they are the best. I feel that someone needs to instill a respect for the competitive nature of kDice. There should be more value placed on ?in-game strategy?, rather than always rewarding people with the best PGAs. Anyway I want to apologize to each member of the cabal for targeting them for their actions. If any of us get the opportunity to play with one of them alone, they are often very good and fun and useful competitors. But I do not apologize for revealing the Cabal PGA actions AS A GROUP. The Cabal certainly isn?t the most dishonorable group of PGAs. The Cabal is just the most talented and successful group. Anyway since Ryan has been unable to find PGA fixes? It is upon us, the competitors, to act as the anti-PGA force in this game. I feel very strongly about cleaning up the game, so I have chosen to endure many months of argumentation with some of the best players. VERMONT, DASFURY, MONTECARLO, WISHBONE, BCMATTEAGLES, and MADHAT SAM : Your PGA actions aren?t at all uncommon, but we have to make an example of you. As a considerate kDice community member, there is an easy way to keep The Cabal from PGAs in the future. KILL THEM! For many months the ANTI-CABAL has been successful in keeping The Cabal from ultimate success in the standings. but it seems like the most active ANTI-CABAL members are losing hope of stopping the cheaters. Mikeypoo, Cabbage, Big Jumblies, Joex, Tsjombe, WayneRooney, Facejon, Jagger, XLUCKX, RND, Linch, and Canarioz have all done well in their pursuit of defeating the unfair efforts of the cabal. I don't think the lack of Anti-PGA / Anti-Cabal sentiment is due to lack of passion in the game. I am afraid that the lack of Anti-PGA / Anti-Cabal sentiment is due to the cleverness of The Cabal, their ability to outsmart the gaming public. I have seen many unknowing pawns (people who don?t get fair treatment from the cabal), yet these pawns often don't even realize they are victims of fixed games. Some of the new players or more casual players may not have observed enough games to recognize what VERMONT, DASFURY, MONTECARLO, WISHBONE, BCMATTEAGLES, and MADHAT SAM are doing. I hear a ton of people (especially new people) complaining about the elitism of kDice, but many of them don?t know that the Cabal is pulling the strings. Even worse are the foolish competitors who think they are part of the ?in-crowd?. Each member of The Cabal has PGAs with additional players, yet the add-ons generally tend to reward the Cabalmroe than they get rewarded. It is like a pyramid scheme, n00b pawns feed favors to the cabal hoping that one day they will get a chance to win. There are many very reasonable people who sometimes get favors from cabal members. There are even people who are naive enough to believe there are no PGAs. It is so funny to see an ignorant pawn like Kehoe claim there is no PGA, no cabal, while he thinks he?s getting special favors from them. Meanwhile The Cabal use him for favors all the time and he gets little in return. The thing that pawns like Kehoe don?t see - are the brilliant tactics that Cabal members are able to employ to help each other. Even if these pawns think they are part of the ?in-crowd? or PGA with the cabal, these pawns will often find themselves ?accidentally? cut off to your connection, ?accidentally? blocked into attacking a strong enemy, ?accidentally? prevented from access to the neutral/enemy territories required to go up in the standings, or otherwise undermined in effort to improve Cabal standings. Actually I don?t have much sympathy for these pawns, because they should know better, they have been warned, they are victims and facilitators of evil Cabal actions. I often laugh when watching games where these pawns avoid obstructed from their best opportunity to win, in order to please their Cabal master. GOOD DOGGIE! Good Boy! If ANY KDICER happens to be lured by The Cabal for favors, or you happen to be their full-out bitch: I can only pity you. I hope one day you will grow a sack of balls and start competing! And for everyone else (the other 4000 active accounts): I hope you can clean up the game. Surely the Cabal is not the only group of cheaters. Surely the Cabal isn?t the worst group of cheaters. But you can start here. You can make them stop cheating! If any of them are sitting, you can be 90% positive they have a PGA sitting with them. If there are two or more, the game is just a waste of time! Anyway, here is my solution to the Cabal PGA problem. If you see these players sitting at your table, they are probably PGA with someone else. Even if you think you are their PGA, it is quite possible they will obstruct you for a more important PGA. Your best move is to KILL THEM ON SIGHT. Dear KDice Community, NEVER TRUST THE FOLLOWING PLAYERS AND KILL THEM ON SIGHT: MONECARLO, VEMRONT, WISHBONE, DASFURY, BCMATTEAGLES, MADHAT SAM And if you see some stupid pawns sucking up to them, people like Kehoe, you probably better kill them, too. |
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Grunvagr wrote
at 12:17 PM, Friday January 11, 2008 EST well, Leekstep, I applaud your decision to make this post
I dont quite see how hoe gets tossed in the list though, I have watched him numerous times and the dog plays for fun. I can vouch for that. To be honest, this is the main reason behind my decision to leave the game. I would very much love to see a pga free kdice but it's pretty damn hard to do that unless the players themselves realize that the fun in the game is in the playing and knowing you can do good on your own. I find more pride in being a top 100 player on my own than if I were ever to pga and win a month. I couldnt live with myself. Knowing that skill in the game can catapult a player into the top 200 or 100 is important. The top 25 however usually get there with some help, but I loved the game when it was friends helping friends, loose alliances, and never blatant pgas. That said. I still respect many of these players because, even if they were never to pga, I know and have seem them play games where they alone display wise tactics and strong kdice skills. It's just pga'ing is the difference between top 100 or top 200 and 1st or 5th. I love kdice. |
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lesplaydices wrote
at 1:59 PM, Friday January 11, 2008 EST WAIT AM I JUST A PAWN IN THIS SICK GAME?
I THOUGHT I WAS RESPECTED BECAUSE OF MY INTELLIGENT HUMOUR AND CHILL ATTITUDE. |
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Cambria wrote
at 2:32 PM, Friday January 11, 2008 EST where does on join this cabal you speak of, leek?
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PGA Monitor wrote
at 4:26 PM, Friday January 11, 2008 EST Once Again We Step into the Breach Saint Leekstep. The Time of the Great Deletions is upon us once Again!
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kwizatz wrote
at 7:39 PM, Friday January 11, 2008 EST I think the only way to stop PGAs is by changing the scoring to reflect the fact that winning 1st place is the goal of the game. People are rewarded too heavily for 2nd and 3rd place, and that makes it a viable strategy. If the winner got a huge positive, and the losers all got somewhat similar negative scores, PGAing would suddenly be a lot harder to pull off successfully. Say, 1st place gets +1000, and 2-7th get minus scores between, say 100 and 300. Just a thought.
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leekstep wrote
at 8:57 PM, Friday January 11, 2008 EST Kwiz that is a very good idea to reduce the incentive for PGAs!
We might need another thread to make suggestions, but here are the ones I'v ebeen considering: 1) Points only for winner 2) Also there could be some changes in "table eligibility", such as you can only sit at the "bonus points table" if you won your last game. That way only 1 of the cheaters would move on to score the next round. 3) A variation of "table eligibility" would allow all players to sit at any table, making them fill faster and making selective sitting more difficult. There would need to be some changes in the scorings system for this to work. 4) Or there could be blind sitting, a bunch of people just click "next game" button and you are sent to a random table against random players. The way the system works now it just funnels all the top players into a pool of less and less competitors, which allows them to create their own social order. It is only natural that people would PGA or somehow otherwise define social norms. If you look at the n00b tables there is a completely different culture and different set of competitive values. I dont know how to change it, I just see it as my job to raise public awareness to the current social order of kDice. I have been frustrated often when I sat a table and competed and made reasonable choices only to be a victim on non-competitive "trading favors" between friends. I consider it very dishonest and an abuse of competitive integrity, and really a waste of time to participate in a contest that is fixed from the start. And I think its a shame that people like Mozzer and Canarioz are outcasts because they dont cheat, they just play to their own personal agenda. |
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montecarlo wrote
at 9:42 PM, Friday January 11, 2008 EST leeks strategy is a weak attempt to copy rnd's strategy. this is natural, since leek really worships rnd. i understand this, because it's an effect of being around the old cabal for so long. in the beginning of my kdice experience (precabal), i was conservamonte. people would make fun of me for how conservative i was. thats just my nature. once the friends started being friends, it was obvious that the riskiest of all was rnd. next perhaps was wishbone, then integral, then me, then das, who was more conservative than i was, iirc.
when the cabal became the standard, risky play got more applause. conservative play only warranted heckling. so all of us more conservative players climbed out of our usual style of play and started playing more like rnd. except we could never pull it off as well, because, well, rnd knows the strategy behind playing risky, whereas the rest of us just know the peer pressure that causes it (even integral used to be conservative precabal, believe it or not). when leek arrived on the scene, and realized that playing risky (playing like rnd) resulted in heaps of praise, he started copycatting rnds style as well. postcabal days, most of us have gravitated back to our original tendencies. im back to conservamonte, and i dont give a damn if that only warrants heckling from the gallery (its like high school all over again... i was a through-and-through dork, then when that was heckled, i tried to become cool, so that i could get applause from people, but eventually when i got to college, and grew up, i realized that God has made me a dork, and thats not a bad thing). anyways, dasfury almost gave up the game sometime in like early october. he was tired of losing risky rolls, he was tired of spreading himself thin, and then everyone pwning him 6v1. he actually said he was going to quit, until i lectured him that he wasnt enjoying the game because he wasnt playing *his style of the game. he enjoyed kdice originally because of his conservative play. playing as rnd, he only got more and more frustrated, as he (and the rest of us) cannot grasp the strategy behind rnds risky play. so das went back to playing conservatively, and ended up winning the month. he admits to this, that i saved his ass from quitting by telling him its okay to be conservative. anyways, leeks style currently is rnds style, but like das, like me, leek does not grasp the strategy behind the high-risk play. i have played 30+ games against him this month, and every time he takes high risk rolls early (often -1 rolls), and spreads himself really thin. the rest of the 'elite' (haha) have realized this about him, and its almost an unspoken agreement, that usually the game is easier when leek does this, because we can all agree to take advantage of how spread out he is by not attacking each other a lot, and cutting/eating his vulnerable territory instead. and when this happens, the ironic thing is, leekstep then concludes that obviously this is a pga. its not. its simply the table being smart and realizing that leekstep is not rnd, and he really doesnt know how to play rnds style. maybe if leek figures out his own natural style, he will be able to play more successfully against all the pgas he claims to see, since really we are a bunch of trucewhores who love conservative play and chatbox early truces. and leek thinks that mozzer and canarioz are the tough-story heroes in this scheme. laughable. the problem with some people when they get to face the 'elite' (haha) is that they have short fuses. so if they get attacked a game or two in a row, they claim pga, and then immediately claim a pge against said pga members. if theyd learn to be more patient, they would realize the truth. whenever i play a game with them, i counsel them that if you solely play kdice for pge purposes, you wont be around for many more months, because the game simply isnt fun when your only purpose is to pge people. and at least half of my pges... probably more like 75% of them... over the months, have realized, after playing 30 more games against me, that i am a reasonable funny guy, and they apologize soon thereafter and enjoy playing with/against me. that like at least $0.04 of my thoughts. |
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leekstep wrote
at 12:30 AM, Saturday January 12, 2008 EST Monte-
Interesting theory. I have watched rnd lose 3000 pts fairly quickly when he isnt playing with PGAs. (Yes there have actually been a few games where rnd didnt sit with PGAs!!) The fact is, it is somewhat safe to be overaggressive with tons of PGAs, because you can feel safe none of your pals will gobble your overextended lands. I have just been EXTREMELY lucky this month. As for copying rnd, I was winning 25%+ of my games in 2006 with half a dozen accounts. I was not a fan of social networking. I just kicked ass. I didnt know who rnd was until March 2007. I was sick of the development of PGAs or OTFs (or whatever you want to call your elitist favoritism). It became my goal to inform kDice community of your cheating. I have somewhat succeeded, although there are always n00bs and idiots who may deny the existance of PGAs. I think the game should be determined by events on the board and in the chatbox, rather than how many friends you sit with. The only reason I am #1 is because nobody attacks me. I ally with anyone on the board. I am not burdened by too many PGAs (but i have some), so I am always useful to work with. I think its easier to choose an ally based upon strategic position rather than choose an ally before the game starts. It is a different skill set and a diferent strategy to use PGAs or in game allies. I have found the right mix to succeed. FOR THE RECORD: Most people would consider it a compliment to be compared to rnd. I think rnd kind of sucks, and only wins because the games are fixed. I saw him lose 2500 pts one day this month when he didnt have pgas to sit with. |
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switchblade wrote
at 12:59 AM, Saturday January 12, 2008 EST Get Life.
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biteme wrote
at 1:54 AM, Saturday January 12, 2008 EST LEEEK DO NOT GO. I DON"T ALLOW IT.
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