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PGA adjusted rating system
donnie darko wrote
at 1:53 PM, Thursday December 13, 2007 EST
It seems to be accepted that there can't be done much about PGA'ing players. Actually it can and it would be quite easy.

If you plot a network graph of all games played, attending players, and their individual results, the graph will include detailed information about who PGA'd and who did not. PGA'ing players will show a very high correlation between a certain set of peer players attending and average scores reached.

Kdice is all about randomness (random maps, random setup, random throws). The current ranking system is based on the idea that excellent players can sustain better scores over time than just lucky ones. Randomness is fair as long as its the same randomness for everybody.

It's not random anymore when certain clans are allowed to play at an lower risk of being attacked because of secret and unfair PGAs. The average variance (entropy, randomness, whatever) of people you are able to maintain a strong game against should be included in the rank! Somebody who is able to maintain 30% 1st & 2nd place against a truly random set of opponents is a much stronger player than one who is only able to reach it by unfair methods.

If implemented in a wrong way the proposed method would introduce an asocial factor into Kdice. Instead of being happy to meet a friend online you would have to fear about your rank if you play against him too often. This side effect can be completly avoided if we distinguishe between dices won and dices lost against peers. A freuquent peer you win AND lose against, as you would do against anybody else, would automatically be counted neutral without the need for further modifications.

Spontaneous, tactical truces would also be unaffected as they don't alter correlation. It only makes a difference if you are cheatingly trucing the same people (or your own secondary fake accounts) over and over.

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Vermont wrote
at 3:52 PM, Friday December 14, 2007 EST
I'm busy that day. Can we do it in, say, 6.5 months?
montecarlo wrote
at 3:53 PM, Friday December 14, 2007 EST
yeah let me run that date past my wife, verm. OH WAIT, SHE DOESNT KNOW I PLAY
wishbone wrote
at 4:03 PM, Friday December 14, 2007 EST
LoLuMaD?!?!
Chuck Norris wrote
at 4:04 PM, Friday December 14, 2007 EST
The best defense if you're surrounded by PGA bastards is a powerful roundhouse kick.
leekstep wrote
at 4:25 PM, Friday December 14, 2007 EST
Holy cow Yellowfin!

I congratulate you on discovering that Vermont, Integral, Maryland (aka Dasfury), Montecarlo, and Wishbone are part of a secret PGA group.

What sort of name could we apply for this secret group of plotters? Perhaps we could call them a CABAL!!!

ACtually there has been extensive research done on the Cabal: rnd, riser, wishbone, dasfury, montecarlos, vermont, integral, bcmatteagles, x luck x

Madhat Sam seemed to be a new addition to the cabal as of July, but I quit following the matter.

http://aplayr.com/kdice/kdice/forum/topics/integral%20rnd%20montecarlo/

http://aplayr.com/kdice/kdice/forum/topics/the%20great%20kdice%20proxying%20scandal%20of%20july/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1at-xanEzXg&eurl=

Oh yeah, those threads are probably spiked (coincidentally they reveal to the kdice community how the game is ruled by a bunch of cheaters), and I suspect that this thread will be accidentally spiked, too.

Its almost as if a forum thread "malfunctions" if I reveals the nasty truth about what it takes to succeed at kdice.
yellowfin wrote
at 10:05 PM, Friday December 14, 2007 EST
"anyways, this is the first time that the old group has played together in .... seven months? we all happened to be on at the same time, so we grabbed our own table and had fun wrecking each other. there was no other unknown person at the table. so nobody was affected but us. we played erratically, nobly, and happily.

people playing: int, sam, maryland, wish, monte, verm, les.

i like this aspect of kdice. when you can just have fun with your friends, and not care as much about points since youre sitting at a low table. good fun. hope to do it again in seven months"

Nice try Monte. I was there the game before when two unsuspecting individuals got railraoded by 5.

In addition, first in months? Hell I have played probably 100 with 3 or more of you at once and been railroaded by your combined asses.

XCRobin wrote
at 1:52 AM, Saturday December 15, 2007 EST
It would have been fun if I had gotten to play.
Maybe next July.
integral wrote
at 12:22 PM, Saturday December 15, 2007 EST
Also, this woulda been a great "leekstep reports" if I could actually manage to get top 3 on a 1k.

so far, I think i've played 5 1ks and gotten 4th tops.

Pretty sure either monte/das/sam or some combination of the other "cabal people" were in those games.

I mean, if i'm the defacto leader of the cabal now that rnd is gone, shouldn't I be winning?
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