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Dottir takes 2011 yearly TAZD.
Posted By: skrumgaer at 6:09 PM, Wednesday January 4, 2012 EST
To qualify for the yearly TAZD competition, you must have played an average of 60 regular games per month, or to finish, 720 games.
The zero datum used was
07.2, 07.9, 10.2, 14.0, 17.5, 20.3, 22.9.
I have child-proofed the yearly TAZD, but I will not say in what way I have done it. The childproofing did not have to kick in in 2011.
***Special note: Actually the childproofing did kick in for Xar in the November standings, not because of any action of his, but by my compiling his January 2011 seventh place percentage as 14 instead of 14%. That happens if you don't include the final % sign when you capture the data with the mouse. Note that his final percentages added to 129%. Xar's corrected November standings should have been
0865 15% 19% 17% 14% 12% 11% 07% 13457 Xar
Here are the complete final standings:
7167 15% 16% 16% 16% 13% 11% 09% 28193 dottir
1036 24% 18% 20% 13% 09% 08% 06% 27003 grandgnu
5818 19% 13% 11% 11% 15% 14% 14% 21834 dirtyrolls
1648 21% 17% 16% 10% 11% 10% 13% 20963 1st.skyler
1641 21% 18% 12% 10% 09% 12% 16% 20017 kdiceplaya!
1743 20% 17% 13% 13% 13% 11% 10% 19795 Mercantile
0730 21% 21% 15% 13% 10% 10% 06% 18357 Mazaman
2596 17% 16% 16% 12% 11% 12% 13% 18217 Lady Lite
2124 18% 15% 16% 14% 12% 10% 11% 18050 stakaboo
0720 22% 18% 17% 12% 13% 08% 06% 18028 montecarlo
1632 20% 17% 10% 11% 11% 11% 17% 17769 chaiNblade
1217 17% 19% 16% 13% 14% 10% 08% 16780 DrunkDaShiVa
1472 20% 15% 15% 13% 14% 10% 11% 16732 Fonias
0732 15% 20% 20% 18% 12% 08% 04% 16708 SirPepa781
3504 16% 16% 12% 11% 12% 14% 15% 16239 Az_Balu
1497 19% 18% 09% 11% 15% 11% 14% 15976 Gurgi
2463 13% 16% 17% 13% 11% 12% 13% 13905 BAMMBI
1838 17% 15% 14% 16% 12% 12% 11% 13662 ehervey
0865 15% 19% 17% 14% 12% 11% 07% 13457 Xar
1817 18% 11% 09% 08% 08% 13% 30% 13402 THRILLHO
2666 16% 14% 14% 14% 13% 12% 13% 13159 Randomperfection
1645 18% 14% 15% 13% 13% 12% 12% 12627 charliedontsurf
0958 22% 12% 12% 13% 14% 14% 11% 12460 caesar-blue
1632 13% 17% 15% 14% 14% 12% 13% 10457 Crazy Smurf
1359 17% 15% 11% 09% 13% 13% 18% 10190 greekboi
1797 14% 16% 14% 12% 14% 14% 14% 09447 nodice4u
1242 16% 16% 13% 13% 13% 14% 13% 09373 TheBetterYodel
1168 11% 14% 15% 19% 19% 13% 05% 08894 skrumgaer
0834 17% 16% 14% 08% 11% 14% 17% 08726 toad92
0740 15% 16% 13% 17% 16% 11% 09% 08624 Kibble95
1099 13% 16% 14% 12% 11% 15% 14% 07297 pooch723
0983 16% 13% 13% 12% 10% 14% 20% 06319 wrestlerchance
Here are the end of November standings:
0964 24% 18% 20% 12% 09% 08% 06% 26184 grandgnu
6652 14% 16% 16% 16% 13% 12% 10% 25137 dottir
5510 19% 13% 11% 11% 15% 14% 14% 21349 dirtyrolls
1648 21% 17% 16% 10% 11% 10% 13% 20963 1st.skyler
1663 20% 18% 12% 13% 13% 11% 09% 20069 Mercantile
1637 21% 18% 12% 10% 09% 12% 15% 20046 kdiceplaya!
1632 20% 17% 10% 11% 11% 11% 17% 17769 chaiNblade
0692 21% 21% 15% 13% 10% 11% 06% 17549 Mazaman
2424 17% 16% 15% 12% 11% 12% 13% 16899 Lady Lite
0678 21% 18% 17% 12% 13% 08% 06% 16846 montecarlo
1217 17% 19% 16% 13% 14% 10% 08% 16780 DrunkDaShiVa
1454 20% 15% 15% 13% 14% 10% 11% 16663 Fonias
0723 15% 20% 20% 18% 12% 08% 04% 16340 SirPepa781
1449 19% 18% 10% 11% 15% 10% 13% 16055 Gurgi
3232 16% 16% 13% 11% 12% 14% 15% 15463 Az_Balu
1557 17% 15% 17% 14% 12% 10% 11% 15081 stakaboo
2265 13% 16% 17% 12% 12% 12% 14% 13173 BAMMBI
2546 16% 14% 14% 14% 14% 12% 13% 12655 Randomperfection
1641 18% 14% 15% 13% 13% 12% 12% 12628 charliedontsurf
1727 16% 15% 14% 16% 12% 12% 11% 12468 ehervey
0932 22% 12% 12% 13% 14% 14% 11% 12295 caesar-blue
1551 18% 11% 09% 07% 08% 13% 30% 12225 THRILLHO
0865 15% 19% 17% 14% 12% 11% 41% 11919 Xar
1277 18% 16% 11% 09% 13% 13% 17% 10662 greekboi
1632 13% 17% 15% 14% 14% 12% 13% 10457 Crazy Smurf
1164 16% 16% 13% 13% 13% 14% 13% 09354 TheBetterYodel
1742 14% 16% 14% 12% 14% 14% 14% 09210 nodice4u
0662 19% 14% 12% 11% 09% 11% 20% 08752 ji-jo
0834 17% 16% 14% 08% 11% 14% 17% 08726 toad92
0731 15% 16% 13% 17% 16% 11% 09% 08544 Kibble95
1122 11% 13% 15% 18% 19% 13% 06% 08457 skrumgaer
0994 13% 16% 14% 12% 11% 16% 15% 06545 pooch723
0972 16% 13% 13% 12% 10% 14% 19% 06352 wrestlerchance
The zero datum used was
07.2, 07.9, 10.2, 14.0, 17.5, 20.3, 22.9.
I have child-proofed the yearly TAZD, but I will not say in what way I have done it. The childproofing did not have to kick in in 2011.
***Special note: Actually the childproofing did kick in for Xar in the November standings, not because of any action of his, but by my compiling his January 2011 seventh place percentage as 14 instead of 14%. That happens if you don't include the final % sign when you capture the data with the mouse. Note that his final percentages added to 129%. Xar's corrected November standings should have been
0865 15% 19% 17% 14% 12% 11% 07% 13457 Xar
Here are the complete final standings:
7167 15% 16% 16% 16% 13% 11% 09% 28193 dottir
1036 24% 18% 20% 13% 09% 08% 06% 27003 grandgnu
5818 19% 13% 11% 11% 15% 14% 14% 21834 dirtyrolls
1648 21% 17% 16% 10% 11% 10% 13% 20963 1st.skyler
1641 21% 18% 12% 10% 09% 12% 16% 20017 kdiceplaya!
1743 20% 17% 13% 13% 13% 11% 10% 19795 Mercantile
0730 21% 21% 15% 13% 10% 10% 06% 18357 Mazaman
2596 17% 16% 16% 12% 11% 12% 13% 18217 Lady Lite
2124 18% 15% 16% 14% 12% 10% 11% 18050 stakaboo
0720 22% 18% 17% 12% 13% 08% 06% 18028 montecarlo
1632 20% 17% 10% 11% 11% 11% 17% 17769 chaiNblade
1217 17% 19% 16% 13% 14% 10% 08% 16780 DrunkDaShiVa
1472 20% 15% 15% 13% 14% 10% 11% 16732 Fonias
0732 15% 20% 20% 18% 12% 08% 04% 16708 SirPepa781
3504 16% 16% 12% 11% 12% 14% 15% 16239 Az_Balu
1497 19% 18% 09% 11% 15% 11% 14% 15976 Gurgi
2463 13% 16% 17% 13% 11% 12% 13% 13905 BAMMBI
1838 17% 15% 14% 16% 12% 12% 11% 13662 ehervey
0865 15% 19% 17% 14% 12% 11% 07% 13457 Xar
1817 18% 11% 09% 08% 08% 13% 30% 13402 THRILLHO
2666 16% 14% 14% 14% 13% 12% 13% 13159 Randomperfection
1645 18% 14% 15% 13% 13% 12% 12% 12627 charliedontsurf
0958 22% 12% 12% 13% 14% 14% 11% 12460 caesar-blue
1632 13% 17% 15% 14% 14% 12% 13% 10457 Crazy Smurf
1359 17% 15% 11% 09% 13% 13% 18% 10190 greekboi
1797 14% 16% 14% 12% 14% 14% 14% 09447 nodice4u
1242 16% 16% 13% 13% 13% 14% 13% 09373 TheBetterYodel
1168 11% 14% 15% 19% 19% 13% 05% 08894 skrumgaer
0834 17% 16% 14% 08% 11% 14% 17% 08726 toad92
0740 15% 16% 13% 17% 16% 11% 09% 08624 Kibble95
1099 13% 16% 14% 12% 11% 15% 14% 07297 pooch723
0983 16% 13% 13% 12% 10% 14% 20% 06319 wrestlerchance
Here are the end of November standings:
0964 24% 18% 20% 12% 09% 08% 06% 26184 grandgnu
6652 14% 16% 16% 16% 13% 12% 10% 25137 dottir
5510 19% 13% 11% 11% 15% 14% 14% 21349 dirtyrolls
1648 21% 17% 16% 10% 11% 10% 13% 20963 1st.skyler
1663 20% 18% 12% 13% 13% 11% 09% 20069 Mercantile
1637 21% 18% 12% 10% 09% 12% 15% 20046 kdiceplaya!
1632 20% 17% 10% 11% 11% 11% 17% 17769 chaiNblade
0692 21% 21% 15% 13% 10% 11% 06% 17549 Mazaman
2424 17% 16% 15% 12% 11% 12% 13% 16899 Lady Lite
0678 21% 18% 17% 12% 13% 08% 06% 16846 montecarlo
1217 17% 19% 16% 13% 14% 10% 08% 16780 DrunkDaShiVa
1454 20% 15% 15% 13% 14% 10% 11% 16663 Fonias
0723 15% 20% 20% 18% 12% 08% 04% 16340 SirPepa781
1449 19% 18% 10% 11% 15% 10% 13% 16055 Gurgi
3232 16% 16% 13% 11% 12% 14% 15% 15463 Az_Balu
1557 17% 15% 17% 14% 12% 10% 11% 15081 stakaboo
2265 13% 16% 17% 12% 12% 12% 14% 13173 BAMMBI
2546 16% 14% 14% 14% 14% 12% 13% 12655 Randomperfection
1641 18% 14% 15% 13% 13% 12% 12% 12628 charliedontsurf
1727 16% 15% 14% 16% 12% 12% 11% 12468 ehervey
0932 22% 12% 12% 13% 14% 14% 11% 12295 caesar-blue
1551 18% 11% 09% 07% 08% 13% 30% 12225 THRILLHO
0865 15% 19% 17% 14% 12% 11% 41% 11919 Xar
1277 18% 16% 11% 09% 13% 13% 17% 10662 greekboi
1632 13% 17% 15% 14% 14% 12% 13% 10457 Crazy Smurf
1164 16% 16% 13% 13% 13% 14% 13% 09354 TheBetterYodel
1742 14% 16% 14% 12% 14% 14% 14% 09210 nodice4u
0662 19% 14% 12% 11% 09% 11% 20% 08752 ji-jo
0834 17% 16% 14% 08% 11% 14% 17% 08726 toad92
0731 15% 16% 13% 17% 16% 11% 09% 08544 Kibble95
1122 11% 13% 15% 18% 19% 13% 06% 08457 skrumgaer
0994 13% 16% 14% 12% 11% 16% 15% 06545 pooch723
0972 16% 13% 13% 12% 10% 14% 19% 06352 wrestlerchance
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skrumgaer wrote
at 11:59 AM, Monday November 28, 2011 EST You do not have enough games.
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Az_Balu wrote
at 11:32 AM, Tuesday November 29, 2011 EST hey! add me, thx :)
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grandgnu wrote
at 11:52 AM, Thursday December 1, 2011 EST Only one month until I officially retire from kdice after I win the yearly TAZD.
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montecarlo wrote
at 12:05 PM, Thursday December 1, 2011 EST skrum, if you have a minimum of 720 games for the year, why is there still lots of weight given to people who play more games?
(i realize im biased here.) basically, given that you have accumulated enough statistics to take significant variance out of the calculation, the TAZD rewards less 'skilled' players who play a larger number of games over people who play just enough to get over the 720-game requirement. example being these two distributions: 14% 16% 16% 16% 13% 12% 10% 22916 21% 18% 17% 12% 13% 08% 06% 16846 imo, the latter distribution would reflect the greater 'skill'. anyways, i propose getting rid of the games-played multiplier. just leave the minimum-games-played requirement, and that should weed out lucky-variance players and maintain the 'skill' measure. thoughts? |
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skrumgaer wrote
at 3:31 PM, Thursday December 1, 2011 EST The weight for games goes as the square root of the number of games. So for a constant level of skill, your TAZD does not go up as fast as the number of games you play.
The weight for games is to create an incentive for the better players not to sit on their laurels. Remember the fable about the tortoise and the hare? You and grandgnu the hares think you will win because of your high percentages, but you will have to keep playing well for at least a few more games to keep ahead of dottir and dirtyrolls the tortoises. For players of equal skill, the number of places of finish and the variance in the number of places of finish go as the number of games, so the _standard deviation_ of the number of places of finish goes as the _square root_ of the number of games, so the square root of the number of games is the best way to compare scores of people who have played different numbers of games. |
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montecarlo wrote
at 3:48 PM, Thursday December 1, 2011 EST yes i understand all that. i just think once you have a multiplier that includes number of games (or square root), then the statistic doesnt measure 'skill' so much as 'time'.
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dottir wrote
at 5:06 PM, Thursday December 1, 2011 EST Here the tortois number #1 answering since It's feeling alluded ^^
You've got a point there monte, anyway you have to admit how difficult is to keep the rhythm when you play more and more games, you just need to see your own stats. Notice how your 1st percentage is 25% when you play around 80 games, and it goes down to 20% when you play the double of the games (Really good job in May btw :) ) You are the same skilled player in both cases, the world around you is plenty of difficulties tho. More games, more impossible difficulties to avoid (bad starts, pges in the table, lag, or just a bad day). Anyway, dont be so tight about my stats. All my months like a noob are included here, so imagine how hard im working to can compensate that! :P |
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grandgnu wrote
at 8:23 PM, Thursday December 1, 2011 EST Well Dottir, you have the month of December to dethrone me. But be aware by doing so, you could forestall my early retirement at least another year, and I don't think anyone wants that! :P
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superxchloe wrote
at 9:13 PM, Thursday December 1, 2011 EST But, dottir, proportionally you won't come across a larger number of bad starts just because you play more games. You'll come across more numerically, of course, but you won't come across a larger proportion of them. At least, it's not likely that you will given your number of games is sufficiently large (such as the comparison between 80 and 160 games).
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dottir wrote
at 6:13 AM, Friday December 2, 2011 EST I know it wont be proportionally, starts are only part of the bad factors, and starts can be good ones too. I mean there are more "bad" factors than "good" factors (and the good ones are banables :P ) So, in the end, that will affect you negatively. Dont ask me how it does, but it happens, and i see it every months. I dont know anything about stadistics, but you know how many games i play per month, and that is what my experience is telling me.
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