Jurgen, I think you actually wrong. So many members that play like total tools have made top 25 many times. YOu can be absolutely useless at this game and still score OK if you play all member tournaments. Look at how many tools got even top 3 recently, not to say Gold.

"I think gaining all your points from members only to win a top 3 isn't very special"

I think we are saying the same thing, only in different ways but if you want to disagree, feel free :)

my main point is: despite some people only being able to medal thanks to member points, a few members are actually good players.

I was working on a data mining script/tool with iumentum (well he did the coding work) to create a stat about tournament skills. we should continue that but oh well. Anyway, I gain about 1500 points per tournament (that's after deducting buyin). Others gain only about 100 on average and I've seen people who even managed to lose points lol.

So I would say skill makes a difference.

Basically, I think it's OK and even vital for a site that paying members help the site grow with their financial contribution and get some kind of an advantage in return. The key is balancing the system of course and I agree that it isn't the case on KDice.

jurgen wrote
at 12:11 PM, Sunday March 3, 2013 CST
sup rifty


mod pwnd

60 day rolling average ELO is better than we have now certainly - although I'd personally suggest 90-120 days

Ummm, you have to make a rolling avg based on games imo, not days. And 60 day avg would be a very static ELO, let alone 120 days. How would day avg work anyway? An end of the day ELO?

There also should be a penalty (lowering of elo over time) for inactivity

I think anyone that is actually good would love ELO. Only make it a rolling average for members, otherwise you get reset monthly fuck yeah. 30 day rolling ELO with a minor daily penalty if no games are played.

Coming back to the original point, the stats do suck, since tourney games are not included in the averages. I do lose or win points in tourneys (mostly the first) - so why not count those games as well? 500 Buy In, 4 games to get out -> -125 ppg for the record.

But then, that would require some programming I'm afraid.

As for ELO, not resetting the score every month resulted in the players being above 2k at that time to be a pretty closed group. It certainly wasn't a good thing at that time, though risking depending on your points gathered.

Leo = Rifty?

LOL

Up the Arsenal!

lol yup, the Arsenal hat was an extra give away

I think you've all missed the point of this a bit. There are chocolate teapots at Walmart.

Chocolate.

Teapots.