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ImbettathanAnish wrote
at 8:33 AM, Saturday January 7, 2012 EST
A relatively uncommon roll off situation happened that resulted (predictably)in another player getting very upset. I'm all but positive my play was acceptable but I'm not in an completely objective position to assess the events given my interest in its outcome at the time. Based on how angry this guy was I felt compelled to make my first forum post and see if my intuition is in alignment with the take you all have on the situation. So here was the setup:
Three players left in game. 4 stack map. The territory breakdown was approximately 10 for me, 7 for X and 12 Z. X was completely sandwiched between me and Z and so flags to Z. This flag is accepted but with Z's comment that the fight "will take forever." X and I then immediately agree to roll of rather than fight each other. I win the roll off and X flags out. At this point I tell Z good luck in the 1/2 fight. This notion was not received well at all and an unproductive conversation on the matter ensued. The cliffnotes were that I was told several times I'm a "newbie" and "retarded" as I asked him why it's so far fetched to roll off for 3rd place if I lost and the chance to fight 1/2 if I won given that I had not flagged to him. The events of X's flag, the agreed roll off between X and me and my notifying Z that we were fighting 1/2 occurred quickly. I had never given the impression I would flag or was content with 2nd. I did not use the roll off to stack up or otherwise gain some unfair advantage. My goal was first from the start and I was disappointed X chose to flag to Z and fight me. When X proposed a roll off I saw that as a way to still fight for first place since I had not flagged. Is Z right? Was my play wildly unfair and "retarded" of me? Isn't the lack of my flag nearly dispositive in this situation that I'm not committing some honor breach in going for 1st? Or does agreeing to a roll off with someone who flagged to the slim leader necessarily obligate me to subordinate myself to that slim leader as well? Am I wrong to thinking a rolloff can be for 3rd if I lose and a chance to fight for 1/2 if I win? |
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deadcode wrote
at 3:26 PM, Saturday January 7, 2012 EST While I agree that I would have done something different. I disagree with the premise that Z had the right to complain.
As far as I can see X did not complain at all; but Anish will have to clarify. |
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jurgen wrote
at 3:46 PM, Saturday January 7, 2012 EST ummm, where did I say that X complained?
OK , I said, " ImbettathenAnish asked if Z and X had a point to complain." It's true that he only asked if Z had a point. if Imbetta was really going to flag out 3 if he lost the roll off, maybe this deal actually wasn't so bad for middle after all (especially if you don't know how to bargain a secure 2nd with Z in return for help) |
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OviloN wrote
at 4:37 PM, Saturday January 7, 2012 EST I understand your point dc. But not saying anything would probably result in a 2v1. So if people take any ridiculous vflag to get a slave which helps in their fights, use it! Let them feel! "Z flag!" later: "no i didn't flag. i told you to flag me!"
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THRILLHO wrote
at 4:44 PM, Saturday January 7, 2012 EST You did the right thing. If you didn't explicitly say that you were rolling for third, then anything goes.
Z brought it on himself by not forcing an explicit answer before hand. Well done! |
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Nice_Guy wrote
at 7:05 PM, Saturday January 7, 2012 EST Should have offered him a roll for a chance to roll off.
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ImbettathanAnish wrote
at 11:40 PM, Saturday January 7, 2012 EST Thanks for the opinions and analysis folks. X didn't complain. We avoided a long chokehold fight on a 4 stack table and I was bigger than him so it seemed he was happy he even got the roll off. That's a price I paid by agreeing to this--had I lost the roll off I would have taken 3rd to someone statistically I should have beat if I were aiming for 2nd.
Saving time for all parties was another benefit this roll off served. It also eliminated the worry from Z that I pull the move of defeating X, pretending to sit out and then destroying Z. So really it seems what I denied Z was the ability to manipulate the situation. This manipulation ability is not Z's inherent right just because he has a flag. The roll off simplified the scenario, eliminated the chance I cheat, saved everyone time and respected the problem Z articulated with X's flag to him--a prolonged fight between me and X. |
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deadcode wrote
at 12:02 AM, Sunday January 8, 2012 EST I agree
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