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roger that... http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/artfuldodger.htm

ps: clearly I could give a fuck how much of my shit you read....

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just tuned into the debate. does foxnews refuse to admit that RP is even on the stage? so far, questions have been asked to:

romney
perry
santorum
gingrich
romney

....

ummm, last i checked RP is polling way high. thus, sadly, that means foxnews must avoid asking him anything unless the people might hear him speak. i predict his next question will be a foxnews standard RP question: is it true you want iran to destroy israel?

the fact that that SC crowd was going nuts over gingrich's comments defending his seemingly racist stance... makes me wonder about SC residents. everything he said seemed to verge on racism. and the fact that the crowd was booing the dude who asked it (who happened to be black)... i think that reflects extremely poorly.

damn, RP fumbled that 'going after bin laden' question. but it still amazes me how brainwashed the crowd is (and the south in general) to believe that america is currently under attack, and therefore we need the biggest baddest army in the world, that is SO BIG no one will try terrorist attacks against us. huh?

{{ that's typical of deadcode though, it's to be expected. }}

perhaps that's true, Ive seen my share of instances where he reached for strawman as a counter (and denied it)... and of all the fallacies in my opinion it's perhaps the weakest of all weak sauce a person can drawn upon in hopes of deflecting and is especially difficult being that it's often couched inside of a strange form of sincerity. Ad hom I can deal with (and guilty of no doubt).. however, a valid and supported counter sprinkled with ad hom, remains a valid counter in spite of being rough around the edges whereas strawman is just shit through and through to the core. My propensity for trash mouth is old habits I suppose having fucked around for several years inside a rather rough and tumble forum which was largely un-moderated and tolerant in it's usage, as in use it (if you must) but do so only if contained within your counter resides a valid argument. Anyone who simply delivered strawman, or was a little too heavy on the "a priori" or engaged ad hom simply for the sake of ad hom found themselves promptly bitch slapped by the royals. I can respect that. However, even in the case where I challenge this dumbuck to provide us a quote where you actually MADE such a claim, my post ABSENT any douchebaggery dickwad chumpy commentary, he simply sidesteps that landmine. More weak sauce.

The dude wishes to examine and discuss serious fucking issues which at face value carry potentially dire perhaps even catastrophic circumstances for not only the American citizenry but untold numbers across the globe when it come's to current geopolitical posturing world wide add power structures currently competing for control. These are pivotal issues as it applies to most powerful fucking nation on earth. It's serious fucking shit and the ramifications are very fucking real. So whatever, I'm a little passionate about it but truth be told, as an analogy, this guys manner of approach is closer to discussing whether or not school districts at the state level ought to decide what flavor of jello they can serve the twats in grades 1 thru 7. Whatever. If the dude want to run to Mom !!.. everytime Gangstrrr uses "bad words" at him fine, he can suck my dick for all I care. I respect Ron Paul. I respect his "desire" to scale back American meddling in foreign affairs/states. I want that too. God, who doesn't. The thing is, while it seems clear to me that Ron Paul possesses a clear understanding that Americas continued reach for empire will inevitably and undoubtedly mean it's demise, there's a number of other rather ugly realities as it applies to the current geopolitical mess we all find ourselves in he's simply not communicating. If he has it, he shows little sign of it. Newt, in spite of the fruitcake he is does in fact convey he's aware, even if he chooses his words carefully and with restraint. His understanding of it is a lot more academic and demonstrates he's quite aware of what destabilization tipped just a little too far could mean to just about every human being on the planet. The USA has appointed itself world cop and the reality of that sucks especially since it's so much of it driven through corporatism. I'd love to see that gone as much as anyone. However rattle that shit just a tad too much too fast and watch a global meltdown melee of a power grab like mankind has never seen before. Infrastructure as we all know it, potentially comes grinding to a sudden halt. Before anyone jumps to conclusions I'm not endorsing Newt. I'm only pointing to a few of the characteristics either shown present or absent in each of these candidates. As our geopolitical affairs continue to become more and more precarious with each passing year they become further and further removed from the the republican versus the democrats versus the tea party versus the libertarian squabble. Same goes for the current Muslims versus the Christians fiasco. Religion has always largely served as a "mental technology" in the quest for material gain. In short follow the resources. Follow the fucking money. I've said it before, this election truly frightens me. Never before has there been a need for the best and the brightest minds to step forward. And I see none of that in any of these potential candidates. Meanwhile the alternative is to re-elect the incumbent spineless fuck who somehow got elected. It's just not good from any angle.

{{ but it still amazes me how brainwashed the crowd is (and the south in general) to believe that america is currently under attack, and therefore we need the biggest baddest army in the world, that is SO BIG no one will try terrorist attacks against us. huh? }}

indeed, that shit literally mind boggles me to point of vertigo not to mention truly makes me see red... fucking unbelievable.

RP rambled but had many strong points. Newt played to the crowd well. Romney did terrible.

RP had very little talk time. Shame.

not sure if you saw any of the online analysis on foxnews. holy crap, that lady is going to be fired tomorrow! not sure why she keeps mentioning RP, but every time the political heads start talking about romney vs gingrich, she butts back in and says something like, "guys, i just have to butt in again, my twitter feed is ON FIRE with RP supporters who are PISSED about how underrepresented he has been by (insert foxnews bias here), what do you have to say to that? THESE ARE REAL PPL BLOWING UP MY TWITTER", at which point everybody talks about RP again.

amazing press he is getting online (although i doubt he got it on tv, which i didnt watch). she singlehandedly forced foxnews to bring back up the charts that they had previously eliminated paul from because his numbers were too high and too consistent to fit on the graph with the other nominees. hilarious to watch the foxnews associates squirm when she kept hitting them over the head with RP stuff. my bet is shes just the standard tv personality who loves fans, and the fact that RP fans (unexpectedly to her) blew up her twitter was very influential to her vanity, so she kept talking about RP throughout the analysis.

i promise this shit is going to fly around youtube tonight/tomorrow morning, and good chance she doesnt get as much authority next go around, or at least is told the rules.

another thing she forced the political analysis crew to admit was that no republican would possibly win the presidency if they alienate RP's crowd (i.e. the youth). good stuff to see this on foxnews, even if it was merely their online feed and not live tv.

Yeah I saw that entire thing as well Monte. The guy in front of the charts was hilarious as he had to show over and over again that Ron Paul's charts were higher in all the categories.

Then back to the three old farts who like to talk about Newt and Romney all day.

Personally I didn't think it was RP's best debate. However I don't think it really hurt him that much. There were parts that I thought he was rambling and not articulate enough.

Romney had a particularly terrible moment when he said he would have signed the Indefinite Detention bill as well.