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Get ready for the Iran War...
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deadcode wrote
at 12:25 PM, Wednesday December 28, 2011 EST
Headlines today:
Iran warns of closing strategic Hormuz oil route (http://news.yahoo.com/iran-warns-closing-strategic-hormuz-oil-route-144219762.html) U.S. Fifth Fleet says won't allow Hormuz disruption (http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE7BR0K220111228) U.S., Israel Discuss Triggers for Bombing Iran’s Nuclear Infrastructure (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/28/u-s-israel-discuss-triggers-for-bombing-iran-s-nuclear-infrastructure.html) The propaganda war is starting to ratchet up. Be prepared to be "convinced" that Iran is sooooooooo big of a threat! Soon we will probably be bombing all the westernized Iranian youth and creating another generation of hatred. |
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skrumgaer wrote
at 5:56 PM, Wednesday December 28, 2011 EST A naval vessel on assigment does not have to wait for Ron Paul to ask Congress for a declaration of war. The Navy will already have issued standing orders and rules of engagement under authority already given by Congress under the War Powers Clause:
"[Congress shall have Power...] To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water". Note that two of these have to do with naval power. And why should we LEAVE when we are done? The Strait is still there, the shipping is still there, and the Navy will still have a function there. We will have a presence everywhere, regardless of where the ships are at a particular moment. Having overseas bases is not unusual for naval powers. The Portugeuse were pioneers in this. Even the lubberly Russians have bases at Porkkala in Finland and Da Nang in Vietnam. So what standing orders and rules of engagement are you going to authorize for the Navy? |
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deadcode wrote
at 6:25 PM, Wednesday December 28, 2011 EST Skrum: "A naval vessel on assigment does not have to wait for Ron Paul to ask Congress for a declaration of war. The Navy will already have issued standing orders and rules of engagement under authority already given by Congress under the War Powers Clause:
"[Congress shall have Power...] To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water"." Sure; I do not disagree; but the fact still remains; that we do not need to have a base there to defend our shipping. We declare our intentions to declare war on nations responsible for attacks on our shipping and if it ever happens; we declare it; we win it; and we leave. Skrum: "And why should we LEAVE when we are done? The Strait is still there, the shipping is still there, and the Navy will still have a function there. We will have a presence everywhere, regardless of where the ships are at a particular moment." Having a presence in international waters is fine; however when I said "LEAVE"; I was referring to the country we war with if they attacked our shipping. We are not a colonial power; if a nation attacks our shipping; we need to strike back to neutralize the threat and leave. Let the people who live there rebuild; it is their country. Skrum: "Having overseas bases is not unusual for naval powers." Going bankrupt is also not unusual world powers. Listen; I'm not saying we don't need any military bases. Sure we do. If a military commander says that we definitely need a base in the middle of the pacific as part of the essential defense of our mainland; then OF COURSE we build it. However we are well past that point. We have over 730 military bases in over 50 countries. Why do we need bases in Germany, Bulgaria, Iraq, Israel, Italy, Japan, Kuwait, Kosovo, South Korea, Afghanistan, Bahrain, Brazil, Cuba, Spain, Greece, Greenland, Qatar, Singapore, Kyrgyzstan, Netherlands, Portugal, Turkey, and the UK? In most of those countries; we don't just have a military base; upwards of 3 or 4 of them. Why do we need 5 military bases in the United Kingdom? 45+ military bases in Germany? 3 in Japan? 30+ in South Korea? 4 in Italy? I mean the list is ridiculous. I'll be here all day naming them. Skrum: "The Portugeuse were pioneers in this. Even the lubberly Russians have bases at Porkkala in Finland and Da Nang in Vietnam." What do all these nations have in common Skrum? They over extended their empire and either ran out of money or couldn't defend it. History should be learned from. Skrum: "So what standing orders and rules of engagement are you going to authorize for the Navy?" If they shoot at us; shoot back. Hopefully it was just a mistake; or they were testing our resolve. If they continue to shoot at us; declare war; remove their ability to shoot at us; and leave. Rinse and repeat. |
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deadcode wrote
at 6:29 PM, Wednesday December 28, 2011 EST Btw; Russia having a base in Vietnam is completely different then what we do. At least that is somewhere near their country.
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deadcode wrote
at 6:31 PM, Wednesday December 28, 2011 EST Most of our bases are not for defense; they are for offense. We use them to threaten nations in the region or to subsidize wealthy nations; who don't even need protection.
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@SecretVeta wrote
at 6:47 PM, Wednesday December 28, 2011 EST lol at vietnam being close to russia
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skrumgaer wrote
at 6:50 PM, Wednesday December 28, 2011 EST I'm glad that on the sixth try you were able to answer my question.
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deadcode wrote
at 7:18 PM, Wednesday December 28, 2011 EST Skrum; I aim to please. :p
Veta; are you grasping at straws? Or just trolling? |
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@SecretVeta wrote
at 7:52 PM, Wednesday December 28, 2011 EST neither?
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Rampollo wrote
at 10:43 PM, Wednesday December 28, 2011 EST i hope they (the youth) can overcome the sickness of being westernized, because the price for being western is bowing down. And why the fuck would they do that, they have something that others want not vice versa
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deadcode wrote
at 11:05 PM, Wednesday December 28, 2011 EST What do you consider being westernized Rampollo? Sounds like your usage of the word may be different then mine.
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