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‎"The day will come when our Republic will be an impossibility because wealth will be concentrated in the hands of a few. When that day comes, we must rely upon the wisdom of the best elements in the country to readjust the laws of the nation." - Ja
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0632242545 wrote
at 10:39 PM, Wednesday October 5, 2011 EDT
‎"The day will come when our Republic will be an impossibility because wealth will be concentrated in the hands of a few. When that day comes, we must rely upon the wisdom of the best elements in the country to readjust the laws of the nation." - James Madison
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Vermont wrote
at 10:45 PM, Wednesday October 5, 2011 EDT "When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
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Louis Cypher wrote
at 1:45 AM, Thursday October 6, 2011 EDT Anybody to quote Karl Marx on the situation described above?
I'm too lazy to look for the quote, but the concentration of wealth in the hands of very few is one of the prerequisites he postulated for a communistic society. Never forget, Marx has not been proofen wrong yet, no existing communistic society had the conditions he requested so far. |
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0632242545 wrote
at 3:19 AM, Thursday October 6, 2011 EDT Marx posited that socialist and collectivist policies would eventually trend towards communism. He was simply commenting on movements that were occurring in his time. And so far he's right, The nations he predicted to slowly adopt socialist and collectivist policies (Germany, France, Britain) have indeed. He never expected peasant revolutions to result in socialism or communism, he expected a slow process through government channels.
So the USSR, China, NK, Vietnam, and Cuba were never really what he had in mind when he and Engels put together their manifesto. |
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0632242545 wrote
at 3:32 AM, Thursday October 6, 2011 EDT Vermont: nobody is saying the government should play robin hood. I want those willing to put forth the effort to get an education and make something of themselves to be afforded the opportunity to go to college. I want the sick and downtrodden to not be ruined by their misfortune. I want good roads to drive on, clean air to breathe and safe food to eat.
I want the rich to pay their fair share for the infrastructure and society from which they derive their wealth and a decrease in excise taxes. Get rid of sales tax or only have a small VAT tax but increase the corporate and income tax rates for the highest earners. Wealth inequality is the reason we're in this mess, if we want out some people are going to have to make do without that extra million dollar Christmas bonus or that yacht they bought to one up their rich European friends. The top 1% needs to pay it's fair share and it's about god damn time. Glad to see Occupy Wall Street getting some traction. |
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Louis Cypher wrote
at 7:28 AM, Thursday October 6, 2011 EDT Define "fair share". Is that a Euro per head? Each head breathes the same amount ouf air...
Or would it be the tenth on all income? Or is it nothing for some and 46% of the income for others? Or could it be taxing everything on energy consumption (and thus pollution), which would make families really happy? "Fair share" is a dangerous sword. |
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Thraxle wrote
at 7:35 AM, Thursday October 6, 2011 EDT "A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have."
~Gerald Ford~ |
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Thraxle wrote
at 7:37 AM, Thursday October 6, 2011 EDT Louis, veta doesn't believe in allowing people to amass riches. And should they be fortunate enough to amass riches, they should be taxed, then taxed, and then taxed some more in order to pay for everyone else.
There is no way to change his mind on this. He can't define the word "fair". |
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0632242545 wrote
at 7:58 AM, Thursday October 6, 2011 EDT Too much power is a bad thing for one man to handle rob and if you believe money is power I think you'll agree. At a certain point wealth is superfluous and I'm willing to go on record for that.
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Thraxle wrote
at 8:04 AM, Thursday October 6, 2011 EDT Who are you to define what is and is not superfluous?
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Thraxle wrote
at 8:16 AM, Thursday October 6, 2011 EDT It is "superfluous wealth" that runs charities. It is "superfluous wealth" that donates money to research. It is "superfluous wealth" that opens private hospitals, improves universities, etc., etc.
You want the government to hold that power. FUCK THAT. I don't trust the government and those fuckers are bad with money. |