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Jurgen and the MODerator system
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nixx wrote
at 10:04 AM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT
Let me begin by saying that I am NOT writing this as an insult to Jurgen or to any of the other MOD's.
What I am doing is questioning / discussing the current MOD system. Without talking to Ryan personally, I can only guess at the reasoning behind having MODERATORS as actual players of the game, but Im sure they are (and not limited to) some of the following: 1. The MODS are in the games, know the game , and like the game. 2. The MODS will not be immediately recognized as a MODERATOR in every game, and as such, the MOD's will witness a lot of uncensored chat and game play. 3. The MODS are probably free to Ryan. Possibly compensated with some free memberships / and or a feeling of authority. With that said, its obvious that Ryan is running a business. The KDice, GPokr, and Xsketch sites are successful web businesses that I have enjoyed for years, along with many other players. I am also sure that the inexpensive / friendly gaming environments that Ryan has created have brought him a lot of financial success, and I congratulate / aspire this as a fellow programmer. I believe the current MOD system changes the games to an extent that jeopardizes the future success of these sites. The reasoning for my frustration: Jurgen recently accused me of being in violation of the game rules. The Justification for his accusations: Not accepting a verbal flag from Moulue during a members tournament. I would like to go over the actual rules of the game for those of you who have not read them. The rules of the game are simple: 1.Do not use pornographic Avatars. (My Avatar is a black square, and has been for several weeks, before that, it was the Mandelbrot set for a very long time.) 2. Do not harass people. (OK,well, this one is a little vague, what constitutes harassment? Honestly, I have, like a lot of others, in the past gotten angry in the chat box over the outcome of a game. Note though that my treatment of other players was never in question during this members tournament or any other ring game in the past.) 3. Do Not Use Hate Language or Avatars. ( See my responses to Rule 2 and 3...Furthermore, I am not a racist, and do not use racist language. The only Biased thing I do on this website is go easier on girls with cute pictures of themselves....Brighty is a perfect example.) 4. Game to Game favors are not allowed. ( I was accused of being in alliance with 2 players in a 9 player members tournament. MC and another player whose name I cant even remember. For the record, I do not know these players in real life, nor have I any arrangement with them for mutually beneficial game outcomes. Jurgen accuses me of this, but cannot ever prove this, because it is SIMPLY NOT TRUE). 5. Play only one account at a time. (I have several accounts Nix, Nixx, Nixxx, Nixxxx, etc. I have only ever played one of them at a time. If this is to be questioned, I rerfer Ryan to his own servers history records.) So...with all of the above said, the following was posted on my review page by Jurgen after Moulue reported me minutes after the conclusion of the members tournament. serious warning: can't call it pga with "MC"/zoid for sure but very fishy screw of molou at the very least. Game 1: you don't let him fight for 3rd for a made up reason. Game 2 before heads up: you don't let him fight again because you accept the weirdest "I won't cut you for 2nd" when there wasn't even a real cut on. Next fishy play will mean a ban. -avatar jurgen 7:43 PM, Saturday September 10, 2011 CDT Notice that Jurgen was able to post this on my review page with the warning category listed as Avatar. I guess there is not a category for warnings regarding NOT ACCEPTING VERBAL FLAGS. I bet that is because NOT ACCEPTING VERBAL FLAGS IS NOT A VIOLATION OF THE RULES. I wonder why not accepting verbal flags is not a rule.. Probably because it is sometimes WISE TO DO SO, seeing as the the goal of KDICE IS TO WIN POINTS WITHIN THE RULES AND PARAMETERS OF THE GAME! Flags are in place to shorten games, not as a tool for players to think they are guaranteed safety, at the cost of other players expansion and game progress. Let me go over how I handle verbal flags: If a verbal flag hurts my game.I do not accept it. If a verbal flag is neutral to my game.I sometimes accept it. If a verbal flag helps my game. I accept it. In conclusion, MODerators should not have the ability to arbitrarily assign negative warnings on players review page. I agree that pornographic, racist and otherwise inappropriate language and avatars should not be tolerated, however, I think that there is too much wiggle room for the MODerators. They are not there to analyze the way I win games. They are there to, based on facts, and never capriciously, assign warnings to players that are in clear violation of the actual rules of the game. I want this post to begin a serious discussion about authority and discretion given to the MODerators. This POST has been EMAILED to RYAN as well. |
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boogybytes wrote
at 10:20 AM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT why do you capitalize the first three letters in moderator?
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superxchloe wrote
at 11:07 AM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT wait you posted this tirade because of a warning?
also triple post fail |
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Booloo wrote
at 11:15 AM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT I thought I was going to be mentioned when I saw this. :(
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Thraxle wrote
at 11:16 AM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT Mods are volunteers, nothing more. We get nothing in return aside from the occassional verbal attack or corruption accusation. This site will be fine with or without moderation, but it's a better place with at least a little moderation.
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greekboi wrote
at 11:42 AM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT everything in moderation, including moderation
-oscar wilde |
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jurgen wrote
at 12:40 PM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT also going to do a copy past then
first fishy game: zoid (playing MC) weakflagged, that one he accepts moulu flags too (being a bit stronger) , he attacks nixx , clearly going to zoid he takes back the land from moulu and refuses to let him fight. If odds were respected, wrong person (MC) got a better place because of nixx's move next fishy game: nixx is in the middle, moulu and zoid similar size , both on another side of the map there is no REAL cut on for zoid. I mean he can always attack crazy and hope for a magic restack so there is a cut that might hold if he gets a amazing restack or a great defend of a 2 stack or something. But NO obvious or close to obvious cut is there. In fact, if he moves, he will probably be easily killed by nixx. Yet he says to nixx : I will not cut you nixx for 2nd place Nixx said OK to zoid and said to moulu "you didnt have a shot anyway". He said something similar the game before. So that's very selective accepting of flags. I think there is a possibility of pga but I cannot prove it yet. So I didn't ban them but I felt a strong warning was needed. warning is not a ban. if people are going to start whining about warnings, this site has gone beyond retarded pga is against the rules; I saw a potential pga move so I warned for it. I could have easily banned for a day. But since ryan asks to not overmod, I warn. If you had let molou fight for his place in the first fishy game, 90% of the time he would have won. There was no reason why you could accept zoids flag but refuse moulu's. So you stole about 2k from him. Feel free to sell it as tourney strategy, I know you didn't. Also, I don't know moulu so there are no friend ties. There never are with my modding, I put friendships aside when I mod so don't even go there. And I have to use -av to warn because Ryan didn't create a warning action button, even after a few mods agreed in the modforum that that would be a great way to reduce overmodding. |
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nixx wrote
at 12:58 PM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT you cant prove that there was a PGA, because there wasnt.
Verbal Flags are a tool of the game...not a rule of the game...I can accept and reject as I see fit...not for you to decide if one seems fishy or not... That's all I'm trying to say...You warned me for playing a winning tournament...Within the rules of the game.. Moulue has the right to remember me, and if he see fit, based on his game strategy, to not accept my verbal flags...Thats up to him, it should have nothing to do with YOU, or any other mod...I want my avatar back up....put it back up ASAP. |
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superxchloe wrote
at 12:59 PM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT if he could prove there was a pga you would have gotten more than a warning.
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Thraxle wrote
at 1:26 PM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT Awesome, so at the beginning of a game 3 players can sit and flag to each other and get 1/2/3 every game. This is within the rules because there is nothing "in writing" about vflags and their acceptance.
Stupid... |
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nixx wrote
at 1:32 PM, Sunday September 11, 2011 EDT Well Thraxle, put it in the rules, or get rid of the chat box..
The bottom line is, the acceptance of verbal flags is not a rule..MODs are supposed to enforce the rules, not subjectively apply punishments and warnings for MADE UP RULES. |