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Le Droit du Seigneur
skrumgaer wrote
at 8:40 AM, Tuesday August 30, 2011 EDT
There is a practice dating back to feudal times (le droit du seigneur) that the lord had the right to take all the brides to bed on their wedding nights. If you like that concept, you will like the supposed rule that the first place player has sole right to the grays on tables with dom.

Offer arguments for or against this supposed rule.

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Louis Cypher wrote
at 12:27 PM, Wednesday August 31, 2011 EDT
das, as you like following me and writing dumb comments, please give the reference to the bible.

There was non in wikipedia, so I referenced the source I found. Regula Aurea is more like a philosophical concept. The bible has "a hand for a hand, an eye for an eye" - that's not quite the same. The bible is pretty much about revenge and punishment.

If you'd argue that any religion is given some sort of manors to a society and these could in general be condensed to the above rule - well, the bible is the 2nd last of these documents, isn't it. So probably not the one to be cited.
dasfury wrote
at 12:32 PM, Wednesday August 31, 2011 EDT
perhaps a wiki link that references the Bible will suit you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Rule#Christianity

The "Golden Rule" has been attributed to Jesus of Nazareth: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them" (Matthew 7:12, see also Luke 6:31). The common English phrasing is "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". A similar form appeared in a Catholic catechism around 1567 (certainly in the reprint of 1583).[44]

Christianity probably adopted the golden rule from two edicts, found in Leviticus 19:18 ("Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself"; see also Great Commandment) and Leviticus 19:34 ("But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God").

The Old Testament Deuterocanonical books of Tobit and Sirach, accepted as part of the Scriptural canon by Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodoxy, and the Non-Chalcedonian Churches, also express a negative form of the golden rule:

"Do to no one what you yourself dislike."
—Tobit 4:15

"Recognize that your neighbor feels as you do, and keep in mind your own dislikes."
—Sirach 31:15

At the time of Hillel, an elder contemporary of Jesus of Nazareth, the negative form of the golden rule already must have been proverbial, perhaps because of Tobit 4:15. When asked to sum up the entire Torah concisely, he answered:

"That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn."
—Talmud, Shabbat 31a

Two passages in the New Testament quote Jesus of Nazareth espousing the golden rule:

Matthew 7:12

12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Luke 6:31

31And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

A similar passage, a parallel to the Great Commandment, is Luke 10:25-28

25And one day an authority on the law stood up to put Jesus to the test. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to receive eternal life?”

26What is written in the Law?” Jesus replied. “How do you understand it?” 27He answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Love him with all your strength and with all your mind.’(Deuteronomy 6:5) And, ‘Love your neighbor as you love yourself.’ ” 28“You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do that, and you will live.”.

The passage in the book of Luke then continues with Jesus answering the question, "Who is my neighbor?", by telling the parable of the Good Samaritan, indicating that "your neighbour" is anyone in need.[45] Jesus' teaching, however, goes beyond the negative formulation of not doing what one would not like done to themselves, to the positive formulation of actively doing good to another that, if the situations were reversed, one would desire that the other would do for them. This formulation, as indicated in the parable of the Good Samaritan, emphasises the needs for positive action that brings benefit to another, not simply restraining oneself from negative activities that hurt another. Taken as a rule of judgement, both formulations of the golden rule, the negative and positive, are equally applicable.[46]
montecarlo wrote
at 12:45 PM, Wednesday August 31, 2011 EDT
lol @ louis
Cal Ripken wrote
at 12:56 PM, Wednesday August 31, 2011 EDT
A husband has more of a right to his marriage/wife than a player not in first does to greys.

Not a good comparison.

Travis O Johnson wrote
at 9:55 PM, Wednesday August 31, 2011 EDT
dumb thread...what is this? 06?
wishbone wrote
at 8:21 AM, Thursday September 1, 2011 EDT
no skrum has become a terrible robot, i have no idea what happened the him.

Secondly, no one has any right to greys, fight for them, steal dom, win.
wishbone wrote
at 8:21 AM, Thursday September 1, 2011 EDT
can we get away from wikipedia articles anytime soon?
dasfury wrote
at 8:56 AM, Thursday September 1, 2011 EDT
Louis Cypher wrote
at 2:50 AM, Friday September 2, 2011 EDT
Thanks das, that was a nice explanation and some straight hints at points of the bible going in the same direction.

I guess you'll agree though, that the bible probably wasn't the earliest possible source to have this idea, as many of your citations are from the old testament. I confess I wasn't willing to spend time on doing literature review here to find an early quote.

However, nice to have some real facts from your side and thanks again.
mr Kreuzfeld wrote
at 7:33 AM, Friday September 2, 2011 EDT
accoring to wiki

"Some early incarnations of the Golden Rule, found in the Code of Hammurabi, (1780 BCE),"

that is in babylon
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