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Time
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trendz wrote
at 1:30 AM, Wednesday August 17, 2011 EDT
Time
If time extends infinitely into the future and infinitely into the past, that means there is neither a beginning or an end. It is a state of pure nothingness. We are not going anywhere; not getting any closer to the end, nor are we getting further from the beginning. Neither a starting or ending point exist, which means there is no middle. Just as a line can only stretch between two points, also known as a beginning and an end. This means we are stuck in the present moment for eternity. But in relation to an infinite amount of time, what is year? The answer is unattainable, because the two are not relative. This means that time is not passing, because time does not exist. So from here I ask what is evolution, or any change at all, and what causes people to grow and die? Or if someone has another interpretation of what "time" is.... I would love to hear it. |
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deadcode wrote
at 2:14 AM, Wednesday August 17, 2011 EDT Let this be a constant reminder... drugs are bad mmmkay
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deadcode wrote
at 2:14 AM, Wednesday August 17, 2011 EDT :p
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deadcode wrote
at 2:20 AM, Wednesday August 17, 2011 EDT My interpretation of time; is that it is the fourth dimension. According to the extent of our scientific knowledge; all dimensions and everything we know that exists is within the context of the big bang.
Therefore the beginning and end of time would be within that context. It is currently believed that the universe is expanding due to the big bang; but the expansion is slowing and eventually will begin contracting back into singularity. Conceptually; at that point; none of the 4 dimensions we know about would exist at that point; but no one knows for sure. |
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boogybytes wrote
at 2:42 AM, Wednesday August 17, 2011 EDT time doesn't extend infinitely into the past. the universe is only 14 billion years old. but i guess from the point of view of human history, that's really the same as eternity.
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boogybytes wrote
at 2:44 AM, Wednesday August 17, 2011 EDT NERD ALERT
not to nitpick code, but the expansion of the universe is accelerating, not slowing, and according to the best science we have today, it will not collapse again into a singularity. |
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Louis Cypher wrote
at 3:06 AM, Wednesday August 17, 2011 EDT From a human point of view this universe is of limited age.
If we accept the big bang to be caused by something, there has to be this cause prior to it - maybe this form of universe it a periodic happening, expanding, ending (one way or the other)... Happy metaphysics and religion gossiping :-)) |
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ProxyCheater wrote
at 10:24 AM, Wednesday August 17, 2011 EDT I don't really follow how saying that something is infinite equates to it not existing at all. If I imagine an infinite line that never ends in either direction, I can still move along it relative to other points in space. If I imagine an infinite 3 dimensional spatial universe, the same would apply--I can still move in relation to other things, even if I'm not getting closer to the "edge" of the universe.
You perceive time, just as you perceive the three spatial dimensions. You experience moving through space, and perceive your place in it relative to other things, just as you move through time and perceive the current time, relative to other points in time. Although you cannot as easily control your movement through time, you nevertheless perceive your movement through it. If you accept that, then I think your arguments are irrelevant, at least for most practical purposes. Saying that something doesn't exist because it does not have boundaries seems rather nonsensical to me. Now, when you say time is not passing, I could buy that--but that's just a matter of perspective. More accurately, I would say you are passing through time, rather than time passing. Saying that time passes is a more self-centered point of view, which implies that you are constant and time is what is changing, when really it's the other way around, in the same way that a point in space doesn't change, though the objects passing through that point do (over time...). Saying that time passes is similar to saying that you don't ever move, but rather the places around you are moving. |
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Karrar wrote
at 12:40 PM, Wednesday August 17, 2011 EDT bildircin hurmalar kicimi tirmalar
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deadcode wrote
at 1:46 PM, Wednesday August 17, 2011 EDT You are right Boogy; apparently after additional research; I found that I was referring to only one of like 15 different theories that scientists have right now.
Some say expand forever; some say eventually collapse to singularity; some say other things. All this stuff I beyond my ability to conclude in any meaningful way. Thanks for the additional information; here is the theory i was talking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch |
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Travis O Johnson wrote
at 2:17 PM, Wednesday August 17, 2011 EDT my time says 317pm
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