I like capitalism because i'm rich. So fuck off and go earn your own shit!!

p.s. God Bless You!!

recooked:

Being under the yoke of $1.80/liter gasoline suggests that the system you are living under is environmentally conscious. The marginal cost to the environment of gasoline is the same per liter whether being used by a rich capitalist or a poor wannabe. Your particular country might be the only one in Europed that has oil (Rumania), but since there is not a lot of gasoline on hand, the decadent systems of prices and markets will alocate it to its most producive uses.

Marxism:

Could you elucidate on "Stalin in his bureaucracy"? Does that mean the the bourgeoisie found their ways into the bureaucracy, or that the bureaucracy was an impediment to Stalin's trying to get rid of the bourgeoisie, or what?

skrum, I am more than happy to answer your question! Essentially what I mean is that any bureaucracy, specifically large, entrenched bureaucracies like that in USSR require "refreshing" so to speak. What I mean is that new personnel must consistently be pumped into the bureaucracy in order for it to stay efficient and focused on the task of advancing socialism and communism. This did not happen in the USSR, and as such the bureaucracy became in many ways a new bourgeoisie.

I also disagree with the USSR's usage of secret police. It is my opinion that any socialist/communist society must silence opposition openly and for a legitimate reason.

Marxism:

A big bureaucracy is a major drawback of any planned economy. There is only one channel of communication between anyone doing work "on the ground" and the command node, and at each level, there will be an incentive for the subordinates not to give an objective report to the superior, but to tell the superior what they think he wants to hear. Hence, over-rosy information works its way up to the command node. Bad data, bad results. When the command node puts together the plan and the orders are fragmented out, the troops on the ground can't execute the order because they were framed to a plan based on bad data.

Markets have the advantage of multichannel communication between nodes, like the way the brain works (and the internet). Each node sends and receives on several channels and bad data will tend to stick out and get scrubbed. Better data, better results.

@monte thanks for the explanation, thought it was some meme I didn't know.


@skrum Maybe the prices of gasoline aren't exactly the best example, I agree, it's just that these prices are pretty much the most known to everyone, so I wanted to show how the situation looks like.

In reality, though, this encourages contraband. A couple of people laugh their asses off cause some people still have to buy their crap, while a lot buy smuggled gasoline from Poland or Russia (costs ~$10 instead of 18). Same goes for smokes, meat, flour, milk... heck, pretty much everything. There is basically no grey area between legal goods (provided by a couple of companies) and contraband - all legal competition to the oligopolists closed years ago. Commies dealt with such situations pretty easily before, now they can hardly be touched.

I don't know how to explain this better, it's just that from the times when communism crumbled, prices skyrocketed and salaries increased by like... 10%? We can hardly afford shit here anymore.

@Marxism

Could you explain to me how communism can still work? I don't think so - here, communism crumbled because of corruption, which was caused by the basic human wish to be better (and MUCH better) than others. It's like a fundamental mistake which eventually leads to disaster.. you just can't ignore human nature.

and why is this posted??? to create further agument ?

Communism never happened.

A key feature of communism is that of a classless society. That just wasn't the case in the soviet union or in any other country of the eastern bloc. There was an upper class of political functionaries who didn't share any of their power.
I think despite the total failure of those who tried to achive communism, it can still work. However it needs to be developed democratically and not via dictatorship.


@skrum
one channel communication is not a necessity of a planned economy. it's merely a question of organisation.

lol skurm, rumania is the only country in europe that has oil??

russia is 3rd in the world in production, and norway is 7th

if you count reserves, romania is like 5th in europe