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What is Kdice like up top?
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DoubleDogDareYa wrote
at 11:26 AM, Saturday January 29, 2011 EST
This game has devolved over time. Cheating has become more advanced. The top spot each month is usually pre-arranged between friends that use IM constantly during game play. Some of the more blatant PGAers do not give a shit about being caught and just lie and use disinformation to detract from their accusers findings.
These patheticoids do not have to use IM all the time, in game. But rely on in to get their game plan together. While others rely on a combination of PGA and proxy with the team sitting at 3 plus spots on the board. The only thing that has become worse over time, is that there are 3 plus groups or -cabals- who sometimes compete each month. Like this month, for example is a competition of piss ants. The sophistication of the cheating is at a point where only the trained eye can see what is going on. (insert comments about tinfoil hat wearing here). There have been so many admissions of cheating in the forums in the past. For example, the -how to cheat- post from Shad et al. and actual IM conversations posted within the forums that prove everything. Only a pure idiot would believe that the top is not ruled by these underhanded methods. This game is being dominated primarily by nothing more than a bunch of geeks who got there asses kicked in there youth and must hide behind a keyboard to virtually bully others. This way, they can elevate their low self-esteem. Pathetic, truly pathetic. How to stop it? It is not possible. Why? Take the Zoid example or the Chase example. Both are admitted and blatant cheaters. Both are still playing and cheating. Nothing gets done. At a higher level, look at it like this. This is a free gaming site. Everyone who is reading this stupid post is contributing to Ryans number of hits per month. This makes his site more attractive to advertisers. More hits = more $. Simple. In the end, drama, controversy, good vs. evil and conflict all are useful conduits to make money. So to everyone who has spent endless hours cheating their way to a top spot, look in a mirror to see the person who was actually pwnd by a player name Ryan. |
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Gangstrrr wrote
at 6:52 PM, Friday December 9, 2011 EST nice read DDDY.. nicely articulated ( your opening comments) That said I haven't read all the responses so I can't really speak to the overall opposing arguments. I've only made the top 100 once and made by simply simply sticking to the grind. Near month end I plateaued I believe somewhere around 70th, stop playing and squeaked in @ 95th. Big deal. That said, I get the sense, (albeit it's largely intuitive) your overall synopsis is probably right on the money. Anyways nice post dude, thoroughly enjoyed it.
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deadcode wrote
at 8:06 PM, Friday December 9, 2011 EST I disagree with DDDYs assessment. I very often play at 2k and above. I always see new players come in and get destroyed; and claim PGA. However it is very rarely the case; in fact most of the time it is just normal silent truces.
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DoubleDogDareYa wrote
at 8:36 AM, Saturday December 10, 2011 EST @Deadcode...
I do not disagree with your point. However, my post dated January 2011 is merely a synopsis of methods of cheating used at a point in time. And btw, your view in not mutually exclusive from my view. And as new 'baby cabals' evolve in the future, they will continue to use the same methods. I do agree that IM is not the primary tool used in cheating. But it is a tool none the less. And most 'month end' wins in the later part of this year have been done via traditional circle jerk ass-kissing. I have not seen much of the old school cabal activity much this year. |
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deadcode wrote
at 1:02 PM, Saturday December 10, 2011 EST Personally I think PGA would be a disadvantage at higher tables. PGA is the equivalent of a dumb truce. First of all; you have no idea where you are going to be placed. And second; they are easy to spot; seeing as most 2k and above tables are the same people sitting from the last game.
Trucing is absolutely critical at 2k and above tables. If you aren't truced; you aren't going to win. Silent trucing is the method of choice. It gives you the ability to choose the best suited truce for the game; and has the best possible chance of not drawing counters. 2k and above games are very very ruthless. If you are not able to truce in round 1-3 you are at a disadvantage. Also if you don't know how to silent truce or are even aware that it exists; you will almost certainly conclude that everyone is working together. |
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DoubleDogDareYa wrote
at 1:38 PM, Saturday December 10, 2011 EST @Deadcode
In most cases, trucing is at the 2k level is an official alliance between friends who are already PGA. It's just a courtesy to others within the PGA gang to say..'okay, these are the sides.' This dynamic of a truce born from a PGA is what makes it IMPOSSIBLE for those who are not 'in the gang' to survive at 2k, yet alone 5k. This is what I saw time and time again in all my trophying months. I was on both sides of this dynamic at times, and I lived it. It's not speculation, it's real. And my distaste grew for being part of the 'aggressors' who would routinely team up on unsuspecting noobs. Though I was part of certain circles for short periods of time, this behavior does not define my style of philosophy on this game. After a while, I felt that playing with an unknown alt was much more fun and challenging. In general, I do not enjoy getting special favors from certain players. Or getting my ass ripped open for hitting someone who thinks that they are untouchable in certain crowds. I used to enjoy playing against Happytoscrap because he was a great player who was a purest. He would kill anyone at anytime and not play favorites. He & I would kill one another all the time, but play with respect of one another. We would not go into a match assuming '1-2' as some tard fucks do who medal regularly. Scrappy was a true Kdicer. However, he got a bad wrap in his highest producing months. He offended the "circle jerk committee" up top, who didn't like the fact that he was a real player. The 'Tits of Kdice' (AKA Titans as coined by Ryan) were threatened by the fact that he actually played the game the way that Ryan intended the game to be played. |
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Thraxle wrote
at 1:42 PM, Saturday December 10, 2011 EST DDDY, the "top players" in KDice have changed time and time again over the history of KDice. New players have come here, earned their "respect", and had success. Old players have left, returned, left again, and returned again. There is no secret as to how to have success at KDice....play a lot of games.
It is true that if you are a dick, or never want to truce/counter, you'll have ZERO success on the top tables. But the constant overturn of "top players" is more than enough proof that anyone can get it done at the top. You just have to take a deep breath and not assume everyone is PGA on every move you see. It's just not the way it is. I'm not saying it's never that way, but it not that way more often than it is. |
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deadcode wrote
at 2:25 PM, Saturday December 10, 2011 EST Here is how I see it.
I sit at a table. I view the people playing with me. April, Poker, Murti, GoIden, 2 noobs/alts. Game starts. Visually I'm making notes of who attacked who. I know from previous games that: April will silent truce, Poker has a vendetta against me, Murti hardly ever flags, GoIden chat pwns a lot, 2 noobs/alts are unknowns. My base is sharing a corner position with April. What is my move? If possible; of course; I'm moving away from April. Because I need to get to Murti and Poker first. I cannot let them gain a lead. See what has happened? The alts / noobs are not part of my equation. Why? Because I can only plan a strategy around the information I do know. This is what I call the noob/alt dilemma. Noobs / alts need to be more vocal so that they can factor into the strategy of regular players. Your biggest hurdle as a noob in a 5k table is your lack of HISTORY. You can make up for that lack of history by talking and letting people be aware of your actions. Let me give you an example: I was playing a game recently where I was cornered with a noob. The noob was angry at his neighbor (not me) and was vocally stating his intention to attack that neighbor (not me). I instantly recalculated my strategy and moved away from the noob; effectively silent trucing him. But if he would have never voiced his intention to attack a target. I would have just stacked; and eventually fought with said noob. |
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deadcode wrote
at 2:33 PM, Saturday December 10, 2011 EST Btw; I also take advantage of this "stating of intentions". SOI's can be very powerful.
For example; it's a close game in round 3. PURPLE stacks an 8 randomly and everyone is worried about being a target. This is an "Ooooh shit moment" for me; because I sense that people are on the verge of flagging to this person. So I openly voice my intention: "I plan on killing you PURPLE". Top players will recognize the effect this would have on a game. Suddenly everyone keeps their flags in their pocket; because I stated my intention to fight. Remember; no one wants to fight alone. Voice you intentions; and people will fight along side of you in many cases. Btw; "voicing your intentions" is a tactic to be used in circumstances like the above; or if you are a noob. Don't use it every game! |
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DoubleDogDareYa wrote
at 7:22 PM, Saturday December 10, 2011 EST Deadcode,
You are a good player and your thought process is solid. And I know many solid players who have similar thought processes. But the point of my original comments had more to do with the reality of the top, rather than the strategy/thought process of some players. For example, and in keeping with the theme of this thread, perhaps you would share with the community the flagrant shenanigans that DLK pulls when he decides to show up. |
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deadcode wrote
at 7:33 PM, Saturday December 10, 2011 EST DLK played a very abrasive game. One that used social truces, pga, and verbal intimidation.
I actually enjoyed playing with DLK. He often had the effect of creating counters with his over the top attitude; but he was good enough to handle himself in those situations. I view DLK much in the same way I do verbally aggressive poker players. It is a different style of play; personally it's not for me. I do agree that there are those able to wield it with finesse. But I personally think it is too difficult to overcome the amount of PGEs it will eventually create. In DLKs case it was also due to his confrontations with the rules and eventually the mods. However my opinion will always be that all the styles of play are valid and also add to the complexity and challenge of the game. |
