SG i realize you added 2500 tournament to the equation and that most would play differently but i hate tournament logic, and would play the early levels of the tourney similarly the same way.

Perhaps later when there were less than 7 players I would play more tourney logic and kill the guy with the most points. But with 7 players i would not do this. Perhaps thats why i suck at tourney


"PLAY TO WIN.
Do Whatever it Takes.
Use your Mouth in chat.
Use your hands.
Use your balls.
Use you P#$@S
F the other player as soon as you see an opening.
But don't be so harsh that people PGE you forever.

The higher tables above 100 require more manipulation.

On the higher tables its nice to have a friend in the chat box to help spin things for you.

Also don't cheat with Leek he is a Narc. ;p
jk..... "

Well specifically if you are weak early you cant build and try to turn a 7th into a 5th, you lose the same points either way. Take the risks you need to take to get top 3, then stop taking risks.

Any possible way you can negotiate positive points accept the deal.

If you are in control kill the people with the highest points so they can pay the full loser's ante (more for the winners).

There are special exceptions to the rule, such as if you cannot win the tourney you can knock out the weakest players first in order to guarantee higher tourney position and payout.

Anyway the typical 2k and 500 level etiquette of being a douche and waiting 50 rounds for people to fight for 5th place does not apply. You gotta do what is best for your tourney standing.

Basically it depends on my position. The firs thing I would take into account is that it's probably only the top 4 paying out so I would want to eliminate three of the people that can be. If I am in a position to win I'd want to hinder the two above me, but only if it didn't hurt my chances at winning. My kind of last resort strategy is more that if I didn't get a start capable of top 4, what I'd want to do is knock the two people above me into the bottom 3 so that I can flag taking a maximum of 100 points damage, and ensuring i'm around for the next round. Possibly taking a 75 point drop if things worked out perfectly. Along with this general mind set I'd play similar to before, cept that unlike a 100 table that has mostly unknown players for me, the final table of a 2.5k tourny would likely have people I know, either before the tourney or through the tourney. This means that my manipulation tactics would change, and that I'd focus more in encouraging people to ally me and to use tourney strategy in a way that benefited me.

ok i didnt read ASQ1 and i know im not really addressing ASQ2, but my take on tournaments is that you do what is best for you in the tourny not necessarily on a game by game basis. Granted the 2 normally have a very strong correlation. Here is where i think a large gray area is concerning tournaments though. In a regular game it is acceptable and common place to trade in game favors.

like round three i dont connect my 6 stack island to avoid a war that would destroy me and the person i would connect through. later he gets stronger and decides to reward me for this earlier.

in the same manner i think that it should be acceptable to trade favors in a tourny for example. in game 3 i didnt kill you early on. which would have knocked you down to 25 points. as a result you have a shot at placing in the tourney. Now in game 6 you have a choice between killing me (knocking me out of tourney) or killing a slightly stronger opponent then me (knocking him out but keeping me in, or perhaps knocking us both out but putting me in the money)

Now sure some might consider this pga, but i believe that since tourneys span over several games so should the strategy.

i look at it this way favors can and should be traded within a game unit (GU). a GU can be defined as a tournament or a regular game. however if the same people consistantly trade favors over many GUs then they should be considered a pga a dealt with accordingly. What happened in a previous GU should have next to no effect on a current GU.
ok crowd i am prepared for your torches

lol @ detenmile!
Not sure if thats considered pga, the fact that you traded favors from game to game.

Dude YOU are the reason that there are no longer nightime member tourneys! You and debwa and others trading favors from game to game, that is what got the night tourneys cancelled.

The behavior that you finally admit to is indeed cheating, you are a cheater. You ruined it for everyone.

To think that you were the only one to accept the fairness challenge LOL

leek you have no valid evidence of that and i refuted your sketchy at best evidence in an ealier post and im not gonna look for it you can if you like.

also i said it should be looked on as acceptable not that i did it. i think that people that get abortions should be tried for murder too but i dont go out and do it.

hell leek as far as i know your the only person who thinks i pga. your so blinded by your belief of how the people that play this game behave, that you cant possibly bare to see anybody who plays well do it fairly.

i would play abit more conservative, but i might make small sacrifices to knock out other players (out of the table, not the tourney, I assume there are more than 14 players left).

I would take smaller risks at the middle game, and staying futher away from other bigstacks when expanding.

same thing goes, truce the talkers.

and when it is time to ask for flags, i talk more strongly about it (more of a threat), but it takes more for me to move on them.

i play even more jumpy on letting them catch up to me seeing as there is more at stake.

well, if its early on in the tourney, i play to win, if its after about round 3 i play for survival, just getting the +, holding to my word and letting people fight for their tourney lives

if i piss someone off, i make sure to knock them out

SIDENOTE: if i had 150 pts, i would be sitting yellow since there are 3 other players with more points than me

ALSO: if its late in a tourney, especially the final one, odds are there is going to be some people that have teamed together trying to give someone the month just for shits and giggles, so kill the shitters and gigglers

but overall, not much would change if it was early on, but if it were the final table, i would be trying to knock out as many people as possible