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The New Style Player
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yellowfin wrote
at 10:02 AM, Saturday January 17, 2009 EST
I blame you Asti Spu Monte Carlo. Yes Count, you were the first, an innovator in the new school technique. Very effective in winning points, and even championships, but like the nose bridges for eye ware developed by Navin R Johnson, the long term effects were not known.
We now have a bunch of cross eyed players that have been staring at their nose bridges far too long. In fact, some have stared so hard, that their pupils are no longer visible and are actually looking inward, without introspection. Where have the Murti's, the Lagers, the Wishbones, he Bone Rollers gone? They have been replaced by the likes of Shadolin, Studious Gangster, and WarDog. Yes, the second generation of half breed that was first seen in Monte Wanna bees like leekstep and Pat Whalen. Yes, the game has evolved, like a mutant virus and nobody can find a cure. The manipulation of the flagging system, ie... the limp wristed vflag is almost assured by these type players in round 1 to each other. No silent truces where trust is key, and being able to see the boards silent truces through lack of an attack is needed. no simpleton play , where submission verbally in round 1 or 2 is used to get a better than deserved position. No skill, talent or desire to actually win involved. Is there an antidote to this disease that plagues kdice? Yes, I believe so. The tournys are awful, the flagging system rotten, the play style horrific. The answer, as I have been promoting for some time, team play. No flags, simply a winning and a losing team. No vflagging to the strongest player, just hope your teammate is. There can be some very strong teams. Think of Wishbone/Das/Sam/Kehoe or any three of four. Shev/Murti/Myself/Nexon Bonez/Rowdy/Thraxle/Monte Lager/Cody/Adam/Nix etc... Would love to see how the new schoolers would fare in a month of battles where there only is a first and last place in those matchups. my guess, not very well at all |
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StudiousGangster wrote
at 10:30 AM, Saturday January 17, 2009 EST Yellowfin, there is something us FlagGen don't have that older players have. It's something that demands early flags, corner hiding, and weak play.
Simply put, we do not have PGAs. WE don't have countless games with friends. WE don't have people's screen names. WE don't have teams of players silently or secretly working together to achieve a common goal. Team play will be the solution to this FlagGen, I completely agree. But don't blame us players, blame the game we jumped into and where it's at now. |
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yellowfin wrote
at 10:49 AM, Saturday January 17, 2009 EST No PGA? Well we can disagree on that. I see some clear ones. The extent to PGA on the old top tables was there were some players you could trust, some you couldnt to understand non verbal play. If one game name a trustworthy player, say Tater) was next to me, i knew I could move my 7 stack round two away and he wouldnt take that as an opportunity to rape, rather a sign of an unspoken alliance, Now if Leek was next to me, no way, I have to roll into him or be verbal. Thats not pga
PGA in fact would be very difficult as it was always the same players at tables. If you pga it would be your demise. Now, in my post, I didnt just blame the players, i blamed the flag system, the tournys, and the style developed by monte |
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panzer wrote
at 11:10 AM, Saturday January 17, 2009 EST I played at the start - then took a year off - and just started playing again. so i didn't see the gradual change.
But i can tell you this - the old game was better and the old players were better. Shit it's even hard for me to find players worth my RAGE anymore. I used to live to kill rnd, wishboner, vermont, monte, riser, etc... now who do i have to seek revenge on?? |
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wishbone wrote
at 11:12 AM, Saturday January 17, 2009 EST I agree with fin here, and simply put I was watching games yesterday and can honestly say the players who don't get first literally BEG for lower positions. The game has changed. I don't blame the style of play that certain players came in to, but Studious, I think you're dead wrong when it comes to saying there aren't PGAs, causing this weak vflag system. That's horsegarbage. The players now are weak minded and don't care about the good fight. They are consumed with points, and winning. Not with the fight. That's the true difference.
I would dominate you. Honestly, you aren't in some of our leagues. Just compare any of our stats to yours (you had -ppg in december where you came in 30th place, and 14 ppg in a month you came in 6th). You can say all you want about PGA, but I don't think anyone would deny that despite all of that, post PGA months, we all still did very well. The only reason you have positions in top25 is because we all left. Trust me on that one. |
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Cal Ripken wrote
at 11:44 AM, Saturday January 17, 2009 EST "The only reason you have positions in top25 is because we all left. Trust me on that one."
Truth. |
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Leek Step wrote
at 12:07 PM, Saturday January 17, 2009 EST I totally agree that the game is less competitive, Fin.
I dont really agree with your player characterizations. So you are saying that you can move your 7 stack away from potato and you know he isnt going to attack you in a secret silent agreement? And that doesnt count as PGA? I guess you think its only PGA when Widhbone/Murti/nexon/Cody/Adam/leek silently and secretly move their 7 stack away from friends and know they wont get attacked? Yeah the scoring/flagging system sucks and the game isnt competitive, but you dont understand the social dynamic and that is why you arent good. And I am not a Monte wanna-be. Digdug was winning 20%+ games pre-March 2007 when Monte/rndaxs/comik/wishbone had stats just like yours, hanging right around TAPL = 0 ppg = 14% wins. Its hillarious that people who sucked (like yellowfin) until the good players left act like they are the great visionaries. Wishbone got it right! Tho only reason you finish in the top 25 is because the good players quit. |
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yellowfin wrote
at 12:29 PM, Saturday January 17, 2009 EST yeah great tpal for me this month I agree. Might have a bit to do with forgetting Im sat on 2 of 3 5k games and getting a horrid start on the third in 49 total games.
Actually, I did better when it was Pet/Zos/Wish/Nix etc sitting with me at top tables and often in pge. I played lots of games, like you, shad, and pat do, but at the time, was always fighting 2-3 pges at every table. It took me a long time to appreciate how game was played correctly, and believe that they did play right, and I was foolish in play causing most of the pges. As far as trusting a player by making a move that benefits both by not rolling as pga, NO. Pga is going into a game knowing you are going to align yourself with an individual. like you have admitted to doing, as well as proxying. Every game would be different, and if I had a position in game where I knew the other player would be observant of a (non) move or move away without speaking, I would do it. You know in older days if you said hey red I will move down so you can connect in round 2, even if in your best interest to do so, it would be a board counter, and therefore silent truces were neccessary, You know that, but because you are sol disliked due to your cheating and longwinded posts of claims of cheating by others(in an effort to justify your admitted scams) you seem to need to act oblivious. BTW, you are no Monte, but would love to be |
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fcuku wrote
at 1:11 PM, Saturday January 17, 2009 EST i think its more of just their version of adapting to the game, back under the old rules, you guys would probably wipe the floor vs the new generation of player, or maybe they would adapt and play like the rest of you guys
in short: dont hate the playa, hate the game BUT team play is a great idea see how a bsn/shad/SG team holds up against wish/das/sam, that would be entertaining im hoping it wont completely erase the regular tables, but they should have their own separate tab at the top, it would add a LOT to the social dynamic of the game OR if youre going for the only first gets rewarded system, have some winner takes all tables, thatd be fun, but the games would last foreeeeeeevvvver |
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wishbone wrote
at 1:44 PM, Saturday January 17, 2009 EST Sorry I didn't clarify things.
1) I think fin is a good player 2) Studious was the player I would dominate. |
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Hardcoretraceur wrote
at 1:49 PM, Saturday January 17, 2009 EST definitely not pga leekstep. This post actually reminded me that a few months ago there were several players I knew were observant in game and would respect a silent non-aggressive move, whereas I now rarely see players doing this.
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