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People of ELO, my apologies, but!
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Johnson213 wrote
at 12:37 PM, Friday October 3, 2008 EDT
Before I start ranting, I'll establish how I can make a post such as this. Given the time I started playing this game, before the Johnson acct(april 07), and with alts included, Im pretty sure I've played this game more than 99% of kdicers. You may call me a truce whore, you may say I cheat...whatever, who cares. We all cheat. I understand and can play this game, I've experimented with different accts, different playing styles, etc.,etc. So I am a credible source, and I am just and justified in making this thread.
I respect ppl of the elo era, I myself am one of them...but it really bothers me when ppl of ELO treat the community of kdice like they are n00bs simply because they were not part of the craziness that apparently occured. SO THIS WILL BE LONG. I apologize!. In leu of wishbone's thread, I want to say that cabal ppl, old schoolers, etc, should step off their high horses. I ride on the high horse alone, sorry guys. :D Dont misinterpret this thread. Im not trying to sound pompous, holier than thou, etc, etc. My goal is simply to state the obvious. This game started in Dec 06., maybe a few months earlier. nevertheless, There are not any old schoolers...pretty much everyone that plays the game is new, since the game is relatively new. Further, if you ask anyone to name their top ten kdicers...not one 'old schooler' will name someone who started post elo. I guarantee it. Which is retarded considering how the game has changed so much since. There are new ppl that are great, and can play better than old schoolers. New ppl that understand the value of pga, socializing, etc., etc. and newbies who don't need a team to win first place. I respect ppl of the old time. But sometimes I think that they are extremely arrogant, and receive WAYYYYYYYY too much credit. Before I knew of a cabal...before my first game started I asked ppl already sitting if they wanted to work together. I knew the value of two heads before the game even started. After my first game, after receiving second, I stated "that worked well...do you wanna do it again?" And we did :P So the cabal didn't start pga...maybe you made it famous, I don't know. But I want to stress that kdice extends way further than old schoolers, cabalers, etc. Alt knocking - I was really bothered by the part of wishbone's thread that knocked alts. What is so wrong with it. My alts are the only escape I have. In my alt I don't have to worry about pga or pge. In my alt I can adopt a new identity and I can play without the pressures of succeeding. I can sit in 0 tables, etc., etc. I love wishbone , btw. Don't get me wrong. But I think it's another example of how the cabal, old schoolers, try to impress their beliefs on kdice, instead of adjusting and changing with the game. Knocking ppl who cheat - Like what qualifies monte to say that aiming after may is for scheming...and before May. But before then it wasnt for cheating. Who in their right mind doesn't want a break. It's human nature. If something is available to us we take it. Are we cheating by breathing the air that's available to us? I pga, I cheat. So what?! I am the manifestation of primitive human characteristics...sue me. Ban me, who cares. This is a freaking online game. Play it and stfu. you're not anything special because you started before others...so get off your high horses. Sorry gtg, boss coming, hope this is readable...and I love kdice. I love you! |
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fiero600 wrote
at 10:30 AM, Saturday October 4, 2008 EDT I concur. When the old cabal all sits together, they call it "ego fest." stating that everyone at the table can basically win "at will" against any other players. Its not the arrogance that gives them power. Its that people fear them. Dont be afraid of chumps like monte just because he's number 1 all time. Fear the players like Johnson more, because those players have more social influence anyways. All that aside, what does it take to be an "old school" player here? Im still told that im new...and i have 14 trophies and am top 50 all time... WEAK. Viva la newbies!
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Johnson213 wrote
at 11:12 AM, Saturday October 4, 2008 EDT Like what qualifies monte to say that aiming after may is for scheming...and before May. But before then it wasnt for cheating.
I want to correct this... I was in a big rush and I had to quit mid sentence... *what qualifies monte to state that aiming while kdicing is for scheming, and beforehand it was only used to heckle players. That is a special statement. (Short bus kind of special) Although I agree it is used for scheming...I think that's just a naive statement, and further reiteration of how old schoolers think something doesn't exist until I've done it. |
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Cal Ripken wrote
at 2:15 PM, Saturday October 4, 2008 EDT ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
"Fear the players like Johnson more, because those players have more social influence anyways" |
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Grunvagr wrote
at 2:28 PM, Saturday October 4, 2008 EDT "New ppl that understand the value of pga, socializing, etc., etc. and newbies who don't need a team to win first place."
I was really disappointed to read about 'new people that understand the value of pga' OF COURSE pgas are valuable, that's why theyre illegal. And i'll be the first to admit im a kdice elo "has-been", if "ever-was", but that doesn't change a fundamental thing - kdice is a game that is meant to be played individually. Friendships are formed, inevitably - but they should not impact the course of the game. I remember one time I hadn't played with Vermont in many monthsa player I respect tremendously) and I came back and we sat at a table. He said hey grun and I said Vermy!! in the course of the game, I ended up splitting him in half, then losing a pivotal 5v5 on defense and losing the devastating split, and my game altogether. He blew up on me about this and that, how I had ruined both our games, but ultimately this is how I play and this is how the game should be played, with energy, fun, and purely, without cheating or preferential treatment. You make friends, yes, you respect who you want to respect, inevitably you might be inclined to kill someone before someone else slightly, but you never alter your game play in a fundamental way to help others you know or like or hell, even respect, etc. I seriously frown upon the mentality that pgas happen and thus ill cheat too to have a fighting chance. That's fucking bullshit and in your heart, you know this. This is not directed at any one player, it is really not. It's directed at the sentiment that I hope is shared by every kdicer when I say pgas are shameful and if you participate in them, you disgrace this beautiful game. So if I ever come across the mindset that I miss the elo days - it's not because I fared better in them, it's because pgas were highly frowned upon. Alliances tended to be formed MID-game, as situations made sense to, thus permitting a sort of community tactic in forming smart alliances, rather than prearranged games that (you know, you just KNOW are less fun). Does this mean they didnt exist? im sure some did, i am highly ignorant in my wishful thinking, but I know many of the rediculously talented kdice players, such as Tzisc (Rewind), Bu, Spammite, and a small handful of others I respect with unyielding ferocity. |
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Ryan wrote
at 2:56 PM, Saturday October 4, 2008 EDT well said grun
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kam|k2 wrote
at 3:56 PM, Saturday October 4, 2008 EDT totally agreed grun.
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Johnson213 wrote
at 4:03 PM, Saturday October 4, 2008 EDT they existed grun, and will continue to exist...and you yourself know this...pick any game you want...and you will find cheaters. PGA will not die. It's inevitable. It's part of our nature. People want the easy way out. technology - advancement and/or combination of thoughts, simply tools, ideas, etc, etc. created to make handling a task, etc. easier. PGA = technology in kdice.
And wtf pga was worse back in the day. i think you all miss this point anywayz... im not justifying cheating...im acknowledging that it's a part of any game. But once again...someone from the "old school" proves my point again... |
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ChristianSoldier wrote
at 5:30 PM, Saturday October 4, 2008 EDT "Friendships are formed, inevitably - but they should not impact the course of the game."
Johnson's post is more to the truth. The above is merely blissful denial. Blatantly obvious, everyone knows your doing it PGA, doesn't exist (except among a few turks). Not because of some game morality, but because it too easily invites notice and counter-trucing. So what exists is that happy middle world of assumed favors between friends. The situation where one player's choice of which neighbor to attack depends on who he knows more: without ANY words being passed at the table. You can't stop that. It is a form of PGA, BUT YOU CAN'T STOP THAT. Allowing old-schoolers to toot their horns and talk about the old days seems healthy to me. It moderates their need to build up new evidence for their superiority through 'only a genius could think of it' things like using AIM. If Ryan wanted to be clever, I think the best he could do is improve in-game tools for players to mark who they think are PGA, or invent strong artificial intelligence. I'd go on but I need promise of a trophy that says "contributed substantially to the PGA problem in the game" |
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--/*Superb1*\-- wrote
at 5:46 PM, Saturday October 4, 2008 EDT Some people would look smarter if they would not say a word....
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Shevar wrote
at 7:04 PM, Saturday October 4, 2008 EDT too bad you just said something
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