jpc: If you dont like his posts then don't read them. There are plenty of other things to read. It's important that people know pga is frowned upon. There's nothing wrong with repeating this. I see maybe 1 in 10 posts about this. What I see as far worse are the horrible responses to this.

It's also better for me to read than the "I'm leaving cause ryan sucks" threads.

Ryan your the best! I think you should appoint KdiceFreak moderator. He clearly is the only reasonable person capable of doing it. He has the passion and the ethics. Those of you worried about that wouldnt be worred if you werent being cheaters. And then maybe we can get rid of all the Cheats! And while your at do something about r0n and Midano and Wishbone clearly they condone bad behavior and endless whining! Merry Christmas Ryan and non-cheaters!

Agreed Ryan, those terms apply to many on both ends. And on that note, I'm done speaking on the topic of kdicefreak and the rest, I will stop giving them the attention they so desperately crave, and I'll go about my business and ignore them as I probably should have to start with.

Thanks for the entertainment Ryan, your work is much appreciated. Happy holidays to all.

Ryan I was just trying to explain why kdicefreak annoys people and how it's completely valid to be annoyed by him without being accused of being a cheater (Which you said was "the only reason people hate him").
Obviously, he should be allowed to post whatever he wants. Promoting the idea that PGA is frowned upon is fine and good for the game, but accusing all top players of continuing to do it is both insulting and ignorant. I have no problem ignoring him, just didn't want you to think that the only reason people hate it is because they cheat.

But I'm don't think you suck and I'm not leaving ;)
Thanks for the game and Merry Christmas

Finally! R0n i knew my truthtelling would scare your off. Now stay in line and quit whining next time.

"Ryan your the best! I think you should appoint KdiceFreak moderator. He clearly is the only reasonable person capable of doing it. He has the passion and the ethics. Those of you worried about that wouldnt be worred if you werent being cheaters. And then maybe we can get rid of all the Cheats! And while your at do something about r0n and Midano and Wishbone clearly they condone bad behavior and endless whining! Merry Christmas Ryan and non-cheaters!"


If I can clarify why we hate people like this, and kdicefreak:

Why should you care so much about kdice insomuch that you will go to great lengths to validate yourself as someone important in this game. I know because that's why I was so determined to put out my thoughts in the forums and I have. I'm not a high scorer so I maintain a presence by saying this and that on the forums. I used to garner a lot of support, especially from a fellow name aixo.


But I've noticed my role declining as people have come and gone as "cheating monitors"


Yet why do we hate you? I'm not the least bit concerned about being exposed as a cheater. It's harder to shame someone when they don't care about that. I PGA with friends and friends on kdice. But I don't mercilessly go from table to table collecting points. That's where I draw the line. I still hit friends from time to time, but in case I feel I should so as not to look like a pussy.


As Integral said, PGA's are useless. The disadvantages outweigh the advantages, so what's the point of being an anal douchebag over something that is already seen as obsolete to someone who heavily practiced it (allegedly)?


Ryan, agree with these pricks if you want; they're just a passing trend that will leave or become outcasts as those before them have: Accountx3, fuzzycat(though not a cheat freak, still a forum troll), Deal or No Deal (who was actually dice lord, but there was the period where he went nuts about porn avatars)


PGA monitor, you really think he'd be a great moderator? I mean, as far as "cheating" goes, yes. But no one will be happy with some one who will call someone out before they get hard, physical evidence.


Also, you want to know what I think is the real definition of cheating? To me, it's if you do something where no one else can tell what you're doing except you, in order to gain an advantage. I mena NO WAY. That excludes PGA's because you can tell after the fourth round or so, and point farming, because it's even more obvious when that's happening.

Unless Ryan declares that both are obvious cheats, then you'd better shut up (yes, I'm aware he said PGAing is; but it's not a useful tactic so what's the point?)





So, in conclusion, you better pull your heads out of your asses. If you want to be passionate about the game, don't ruin the experience by overindulging yourselves as something that no one likes. Take it from me; I've had experience since I'll say whatever I want here, whether it be anger towards an aspect of the game or other players or whatever. I've had to deal with rebuttals to my opinions and such, and I've become stronger with my words (rnd almost had me about his PGA crap; but, I think I'm still right. And try going AGAINST freedom of speech. I've done it. I went there, like an "anti-American"). Just calm down and check yourself before you wreck yourself. Would you rather be appreciated by a couple of people for your "renegade" cause or be seen as an all around, wise player for taking it down a notch? I know you should be yourself, but...

Be yourself, by all means. I'm regretting telling you to shut up if you're doing this because you like it, and in the words of N.W.A.: " It's crazy to see people tryin' to be what society wants em' to be but not me; Ruthless, is the way to go, say no..."

I'm just giving some of my (possibly wise) words on the subject.

This is my favorite thread, mostly because people like jpc and jdizzle made very interesting and thoughtful posts.

My issue with kdicefreak is that he hates people he doesn't even know and makes accusations without solid evidence. At the very least leekstep would try to find foundation for his accusations and was at times correct, he may have failed in other areas but hey we are all human, I hope. Kdicefreak and PGA Monitor make no such attempts at least not in the posts I have read, so there my is my reason for my displeasure with them.

Funny thing today is when PGA Monitor accused me of PGA'ing with a neighbor while I was attacking the neighbor. Monitor must've mistaken some unspoken border truce in another game I've long forgotten. I've never even played against the monitor name.

I don't think most of these self appointed heroes have the experience or credibility to speak out against high lvl players. I think if they got to that level, they would spend half the energy on these boards or care half as much about PGAs...

There are some obvious gameplay headaches like late game turkish alliances, groups with the same monikers who ruin small tables, 1k players on 10 tables (I'm guilty of that), or rank jockeying, aka felating late game 1-2 trucers, but some of these are perfectly legal or obvious to spot before you sit in on a game. The point is, like Jdizzle said, there are social problems underlying kdice that are just as annoying as PGAs but are silent among some outspoken members.

Originally posted by PGA Monitor:

"Finally! R0n i knew my truthtelling would scare your off. Now stay in line and quit whining next time."

Please shut the fuck up. Holy balls, you've got your head so far up Ryan's ass, I don't know where you stop and he starts. You're a glorified tattletale who gets off on believing that you're "putting the elite in their place." I'm nowhere NEAR elite and I consider your antics to be, while perhaps remotely necessary, completely childish and needlessly bratty. Do the forum a favor, grow a personality and do what you feel you need to in a way that is less irritating. Otherwise, you get floods of responses that continue to prove that nobody cares what you think. Then, when you DO finally have something important to contribute, nobody will listen.