I cant believe how many whiners there are out there complaining. Reality is that the test server was up for a month, and you could have played on there to see how it was

I happen to like the new scoring system, but that aside, the first I knew about it was when I got the email. I'd grown frustrated with the old scoring system and had been playing gpokr and other stuff rather than kdice. I'd have had to chance to lodge objections to the new scoring system if I had them, because I had no idea it existed until it was locked in place.

The new scoring system only rewards unmitigated aggression. Under the old system players could adopt a variety of strategies and still be successful. Being able to determine if players around you were passive or aggressive was a key to doing well. Now that everyone is forced to adopt the same strategy, I think the game is a bit less interesting. It reminds me of the ai in dicewars.

different scoring system give rise to different strategh and behaviour - i agree with you mickc that the new system promotes agressive play.

the 'just wait and i am happy with 2nd' strategy is gone with the introduction of dominance in the LAST kdice update.

sinth where i grew up we had street fighter 2 for a couple years and then they got rid of the machine and replaced it with this new game mortal kombat .. for me the analogy is intact

It's shit... and they have rigged my dice.. I'm sure of it

People hate on the new version because they never spent any time on the test server and are now getting royally pwnd by everyone who did.

I hate the new version because i DID spend a lot of time in the test server and am getting pwned by everyone who didn't.

"stupid little number"??? Keevan that's blasphemy!!!! :-)

Taking a step back from kdice, games like dicewars and risk actually do a bit of "teaching" on some fairly basic strategic concepts of war. Kdice used to have this element in spades - maybe not intentionally, but all the goodness around "neutral countries", alliances, backstabbing, incredible changes in luck/fortune were there. In the new system, it's gone. It really is poker with dice... Or chess played with an ante.

So, I guess the lesson one can learn from kdice is "knowing when to quit"... Which is a valuable, but not very positive lesson. Thinking about playing games as a kid, or with* kids, I can see the evolution of the most recent changes moving kdice from a game that a kid loses at a few times, but has so much fun they want to get better at it, to a game that just brutalizes them every time and totally turns them off.

Put another way, I think the changes may not always benefit the older/more experienced players on the actual gameboard, but it definitely skews the "object" of the game to be solely that pursued by the top 100/ladder-style players, or people with a strong itch to become like them.

I wonder what will happen when kdice is played only* by people who want to be at the top - how do the wolves survive when the sheep are all dead? And for how long?

we dislike those people who sit and wait for 2nd or 3rd, but at least if you were someone who played to win (even if you messed up) you would still get something.now you don't see anything at all, there is no movement in your score. like the flagger part, but the rest is no good. people like to see progress.