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My Flag Policy
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Discoveria wrote
at 2:17 PM, Thursday May 31, 2007 EDT
This is a double post because when you click the other thread "Flags" you get redirected to an older one which isn't very relevant.
"flags are always misunderstood" Not any more! I've decided how I'm going to understand flags - see below. Comments? Is there some loophole or something I haven't considered? Would you agree with me? FLAG POLICY 1. If you flag to me, I will try to avoid attacking you, especially if it will kill you. I will attack you if you attack me, or if I need your territory (if I want a shot at a higher finish, or you are blocking my path). I will try to warn you of that. 2. If I flag, I will stop attacking the top player. I am likely to stop attacking other players too. But I will try to eliminate anyone who is weaker than me, if they are unflagged. 3. IF YOU ATTACK ME WHEN I AM FLAGGED I WILL RETALIATE IF I CAN 4. I do NOT use flags to sit in a corner, stack dice, then unflag. I will ONLY unflag if asked, or if I want to retaliate as in (3). 5. I do not expect other players to respect flags, but then I do expect them not to complain if I have to defend myself while I am flagged. 6. I consider it OK to attack any player who appears to have gone away from the game permanently. |
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Lord Vader wrote
at 8:00 PM, Thursday May 31, 2007 EDT ur missing the pt...flaggin is surrendering..you give up, therefore you flag cause you know youve lost, people should still attack you, it simply is a way to speed up your demise, because you realize, you will not win so you give up, people flag and then leave the gaem frequently because they know they will lose, so there is no point to fighting any more. If you flag, and say no one else is, i will try to finish you first if i can, because the white flag is a universal symbol of "i give up"
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R² wrote
at 8:24 PM, Thursday May 31, 2007 EDT A white flag is not the universal symbol for "I give up." It is also used a an invitation for parley or other forms of peacefull communication. In kdice, the only thing the flag means officially is if all players flag, the game ends. The fact that its meaning is different for different people and can be used strategicly is just another facet that makes this game intresting.
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Discoveria wrote
at 9:26 PM, Thursday May 31, 2007 EDT Lord Vader: while some people do use the flag as you say, it seems to me that if they give up they can just leave. They automatically become flagged after a while, and then it's obvious that they're not coming back. Or they will suicide on more powerful players (much more fun). I find that most players who flag but stay active in the game do not expect to be destroyed.
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ice9 wrote
at 11:51 PM, Thursday May 31, 2007 EDT The fact that the ONLY effect a flag has in the game itself is stated above - if everyone flags, the game is over.
Dominance points are lost the longer you stay in the game with a single stack, so my thoughts on flagging: 1) If I flag, it says "I am ok with my current position, even if dead last". This means, please kill me ASAP, or use my territory however you see fit. 2) If someone else flags, see #1, and apply the same rule to them. They have given up, so either take them out, or not. In fact, someone who leaves an opponent's single stack in the corner and DOESN'T attack it could be abusing the dominance system, in order to give them a lot of negative points. Other than that, I try to be fair in the order I take people out (when I have the choice): - take out Away, Flagged - take out Away - take out any target of opportunity, including flagged players. People who whine "I'm flagged, don't attack me"... please... then don't flag - there is NO way to avoid being attacked in the game. |
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Bunnysnot wrote
at 2:44 AM, Friday June 1, 2007 EDT Yeah, this is a issue where people confuse flaggers, nonflaggers, and people that refuse to flag. The flagging "house rule" was 1st established to help speed up the process of the game by eliminating those who refuse to concede. Many people hence took it as a way to finish is a higher finishing position , in hopes that active players will be taken out first. If you hold valuable real estate, then it is absurd that people should ignore you just because you are flagged.
Another point is just because you are flagged in round 4 doesn't mean that you are not a threat in round 8. A 2 territory player can wreck havoc on you once his reserves are built up. In many situations they can lash out and try to gain a higher position. |
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Tanktunker wrote
at 3:05 AM, Friday June 1, 2007 EDT My policy is asking if anyone has any qualms about attacking flagged players/while flagged, if nobody says anything I proceed to attack whoever I want, if some has any problem with it I usually try to kill him/them.
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Discoveria wrote
at 12:08 PM, Friday June 1, 2007 EDT So, should I play depending on how flags are actually used (by some players, possibly the newer ones, who think they can use it to get more points for finishing higher) or by how they should be used (as players are saying here, to show you give up on the game)?
I'm starting to like Tankturner's method. It's ruthless, but I couldn't help smiling :D |
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JKD wrote
at 12:26 PM, Friday June 1, 2007 EDT My flag policy is to flag in the 1st round.
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NeoGregorian wrote
at 9:06 PM, Friday June 1, 2007 EDT Flag serves two purposes. Finishing decided games early, and signaling defeat.
I think it is OK to flag when you have 4 to 5 areas and are in a hopeless situation. But you should not expect people to kill other players first just because they had less areas under their controlled when they flagged. Of course, if you flag that means that it might be an advantage for leading players to attack competitors (at least until they flag). Summing things up: - Flag when you think you can't contribute anymore to the match, and remember that it only is a signal, and people may attack you as they wish. |
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Discoveria wrote
at 9:20 AM, Saturday June 2, 2007 EDT Bunnysnot posted this link in the other Flags thread. I'm happy with the answer I got from there. For now, though, I don't see any need to change the way I use the flag. Thanks ppl
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