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Neorealism - On Fear And Love - by FUNK.
_rnd wrote
at 11:16 PM, Monday April 23, 2007 EDT
Two points for discussion for whomever is interested: Being an International Relations Graduate student, I have had occasion to discuss during games on chat with other like-minded polisci geeks the systemic microcosm that kdice best represents. Although multiple opinions exist, the best representation appears to be Kenneth Waltz' neorealist paradigm (see Theory of International Politics, 1979) which predicts that within an anarchic, self-help, and security-driven structure, "like" states will seek to balance each other and choose defection over cooperation--in the kdice world, a) this explains the rather large outcome of 1-2 truces and 2 big powers picking off smaller ones and being left to fight it out; and b) that other exongenous factors such as PGAs, oddly shaped geography, etc. are responsible for the exception to the rule, that being multipolarity, where 3 or 4 relatively even powers remain to determine the outcome. Was wondering if anyone strongly agreed or disagreed with the above?

The second point: we often have IR undergrads read Machiavelli as one of their first texts. Among many acute observations, ol' Niccolo has the following to offer in the Prince.
On love and fear
This gives rise to an argument: whether it is better to be loved than feared, or the opposite. The answer is that one would like to be both, but since it is difficult to combine the two it is much safer to be feared than loved, if one of the two has to make way. For generally speaking, one can say the following about men: they are ungrateful, inconsistent, feigners and dissimulators, avoiders of danger, eager for gain, and whilst it profits them they are all yours. They will offer you their blood, their property, their life and their offspring when your need for them is remote. But when your needs are pressing, they turn away. The prince who depends entirely on their words perishes when he finds he has not taken any other precautions. This is because friendships purchased with money and not by greatness and nobility of spirit are paid for, but not collected, and when you need them they cannot be used. Men are less worried about harming somebody who makes himself loved than someone who makes himself feared, for love is held by a chain of obligation which, since men are bad, is broken at every opportunity for personal gain. Fear, on the other hand, is maintained by a dread of punishment which will never desert you.

The questions that arise from this are a)on the kdice board, is your general strategy one where you seek to be loved or feared? b) which do you feel works best? c) although we have discussed on a prior thread who we believe is the "best" kdice player, who would you say you most fear and who do you most love?

If the answer to c is the same person, I would say unequivocably that this is the best kdice player. But for my money I'd have to go with Grun for most feared (and there is nothing normative about this statement, i.e., doesn't imply that he in some way plays "mean", but that his style of play raises fear in others because he rarely truces, attempts disadvantaged attacks if pressed, and often thinks outside the box from the general thinking on safe expansion and racing for the tranquility of corners). For loved, I would have to say Hatty--the "lay off the penguin rule notwithstandng, lol--I've played with him many times, and as a native English speaker and non-German have held no prior affinity towards him. At least from my experience, if he kills you, he does it with subtlety, and I have seen on more than one occasion him flag for a second if he feels his opponent has played the better strategic game even if he has a shot at the top spot.

* This has been reposted to remove the slash in the title of the original post

[Editorial Liberty: SECRETLY, RND IS MY MOST FEARED AND LOVED KDICER, THOUGH.]

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_rnd wrote
at 11:16 PM, Monday April 23, 2007 EDT
I have to agree with your assessment.. Grun is by far the most fearsome kdice player. Even as one of my closest friends here, his relentless destruction of my empires, and almost unwavering refusal of truces as well as his acute strategy (which, on occasion, seems to best my unbelievable luck) makes him the most fearsome adversary by far. Ryan comes in a close second, as his heckling and dissemination of vital information on how to defeat my mind games almost overcomes his lack of skill on the board.

As far as the most loved player.. this is a close call.. but i do believe XicaDaSilva leads the pack. Her humor is beyond match, as is evident by her loving post earlier in the week. Her matronly actions on the board, including heroic underdog attacks on the enemies of her harem, as well as her general spirit of goodwill make her my most loved player. Ryan again comes in a close second, i mean, this *world* rocks.

Perhaps the offspring of Grun and Xica would be the Ultimate Kdice Machine.. You all interested in an introduction?
_rnd wrote
at 11:17 PM, Monday April 23, 2007 EDT
Oh, and by the way.. Funk is, secretly, my most feared and loved friend.
Grunvagr wrote
at 11:20 PM, Monday April 23, 2007 EDT
quiet rnd, you'll upset my kdice womenz with such suggestions!

ps: send pics
Ubersmush wrote
at 11:39 PM, Monday April 23, 2007 EDT
boring
________________ wrote
at 5:21 AM, Tuesday April 24, 2007 EDT
peace!
skrumgaer wrote
at 9:39 AM, Tuesday April 24, 2007 EDT
am an economist by profession with strong grounding in ecology and the biological sciences. I see applications of niche theory to kdice.

I have observed several styles of play on kdice, evidenced by different shapes of percentage profiles of first place, second place, etc, to which I have given animal analogues such as "sphinx", "hyena", "dromedary", and "horse". As several species can prosper in the same habitat by occupying different niches, different kinds of players can prosper in kdice.

Who will be the publisher of the first dissertation based on kdice?
integral wrote
at 12:02 PM, Tuesday April 24, 2007 EDT
I don't know if you can call it fear. I respect grun's play more than others, although rnd, luck and kwiz have all really impressed me this month.

I would put monte as one of the most loved. His diplomacy is almost second to none, and the way he works the board to minimize the enemies is impressive.
AlphaMeridian wrote
at 4:38 PM, Tuesday April 24, 2007 EDT
I play largely outside of the world of the top tables where you get to know people so intimately, but I can say as to the general thesis that diplomacy gets me far far farther than brute strength of position. Whether or not this equates to 'love' is a bit of a stretch. I will say, that I have a fondness for Boomshank, because I attempted to snatch 3rd place from him in a very sneaky way, and he caught me with a lot of humor. Best game I ever lost.

-Alpha
JDizzle787 wrote
at 4:48 PM, Tuesday April 24, 2007 EDT
It's all up to so many variables. I don't have enough time to read your dissertation, rnd, but I do know that, everyone sees everyone differently.I, in fact, don't agree that grun is the most feared, but, he is in that group of players that has intimidation behind their name when they play. I wish I could include my name in this, since experience does count, but, there are several players who have started many weeks before I.

It is too subjective, since we all see different games, and fear/love/ feel differently towards other players. Ryan, I must admit, is damn good, and has rarely lost whenever I have seen him play. Grun, is at the same level, along with other players in my head I have seen dominate consistently. (Even Willy with his Red color obsession seems to work very well for him)

But, what do I know? As always, I am willing to tout my own ideas, and am still pushing for an organized tournament. I understand this already feels like one big one, but we could set down accolades for those who can work through a set of games, face the best of each every so often, and see how they stack up against the best on their best terms.

I just wish this could happen, so we could pick out the best every so often, since the bigger picture that is kdice right now could be more recognized. Gee, if rnd beat grunvagr today in a game, no onwe would take such notice. But, in an organized, international tournament, with a little trophy in his profile, he could prove he was on his best.

P.S. Please, jump through the swiss cheese holes in my post!
funk2 wrote
at 8:46 PM, Tuesday April 24, 2007 EDT
thanks for the slash removal rnd...one caveat to question 2 that has come to my attention---if there is another personality trait---i.e., respect, intelligence---that is more viable in terms of kdice success, feel free to include it in your replies
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