War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

It depends how aggressive the attack is. If you take a weak stack so you can help out at the front or if you clean up an island, it's definitely part of the truce.

But if you're farming or deliberately weakening your truce buddy, of course he has reasons to claim there was no truce.

I'm a big fan of announcing the silent truce as soon as possible (when you can't be easily beaten anymore). A) it tells the clueless people what's going on (and hopefully they will learn) B) less chance of getting called out for pga C) from then on, you are sure that your silent truce partner who grew a bit bigger than you won't let you die or won't accept a flag for 2nd from anyone.

btw I'm not a fan of these lame silent truces where one person doesn't do a damaging attack that he actually should do to have a great position himself

then turns later, there comes a guilt trip with stuff like "oh but I thought we silent truced" and "you saw me not doing the cut in round X blah blah"

It's all part of KDice of course, nothing illegal about it. All I'm trying to say is some people should dare go for offence more. Sure, securing a safe 1 2 is important too but I think most people want exciting games and some passive and safe play just kills the fun.

IMO there is no such thing as a "silent truce" there is reading the board however. Silent truces were created by old timers to run a game. Yet when new guys try to play and claim pga it is what it is. if you are watching the game unfold and "a silent truce" is there. Be fair and let the table know. its a game, but

I agree. A lot of silent truces are actually 2 otf players who just know each other so well, they know that they will probably truce if they don't attack each other. There can even be attacking involved as both know there is some vital untangling to be done sometimes but once there's no need for further attacking, they stop attacking each other.

There's no problem in not being vocal about it in order to avoid being countered. It's actually the job of the rest of the table to pick these things up and react.

Problems start when the trucing becomes too natural or too exclusive. When you never need a word to know if a specific person is trucing you or if you're >80% sure that someone won't +1 or +2 attack you (even if you don't flag) and that as a result a truce will be formed, THEN you are basically very close to pga with that person.

For me, a silent truce is a very temporary situation. You assume or hope that someone is non-aggresive towards you and continue making moves accordingly. When you see enough comfirmation by the other player and when you're strong enough to announce it, you really SHOULD announce it to be fair.

Jurgen,

you are actually making a fair point (different than my initial one). I agree with the OTF'ing too close to PGA'ing although it is unfortunately part of human nature: you will instinctively attack players you don't like versus players you like, except if you can wipe them out quickly, which is rare.

But if you play to win and not to be fair, then it is a different story as you will try the opposite: Maintain the illusion that there is no truth for as long as you feel that you can take the board. And for that purpose, "attacking" the person you are truced with (on weak stack) is perfect for that purpose.

truth = truce but yes, I agree

If you're silent trucing with someone you know well, you can do some attacking without offending your truce partner. A good truce partner knows the difference between an attack and a move for the greater good of the truce. Some meaningless attacks indeed give the possibility to confuse the opponents long enough to get control of the board.

"being fair" is subjective, especially in a wargame where everyone is actually supposed to WIN.

Since I'm supposed to bring balance to this site, the main thing that I wanted to add to this discussion was: silent truces are a valid strategy but everyone who tries to combine a competitive playstyle with fairness should evaluate for themselves how far they push the silent trucing strategy. If you push it too far, it's pga.

This is why I tell the board I accept early flags and attack everyone until I'm the largest player.

Works every time.