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Duke Nukem wrote
at 1:23 PM, Sunday February 20, 2011 EST
IMHO current scores don't reflect intellectual disposition too much. Even if things have become better since ELO, score still depends too much onto your 'social rank' and established relationships. I'm not talking about PGA, but the small choices to attack one over the other, that sum up over time, have a severe impact onto your overall score. I think the majority of hard core players is totally fine with this. Not only because it secures their position, but because they come here _especially_ for the social aspect.

However, I would really like to compete in a league of pure brain vs. brain without the sleaze. Player accounts would only be shown before and after the game, colors chosen randomly, and chat disabled until the game is over.

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LiggerNips wrote
at 1:47 PM, Sunday February 20, 2011 EST
Yes this would make the game a lot less PGA infested and more competetive, i would support this. Half the game i play now are either with PGAs at the table, or paranoid people accusing PGAs

This would do away with both
Boner Oiler wrote
at 2:27 PM, Sunday February 20, 2011 EST
No chat completely changes the dynamic of the game and as a consequence makes the game less interesting. Keep chat and this is fine.
Rowdyazell wrote
at 3:50 PM, Sunday February 20, 2011 EST
I will state this.... No change in game play will stop the cheating. No Chat... People will use IM.. Not showing peoples names... see no chat. The simple game is not compelling enough to keep peoples interest. Sorry to be the downer but the social aspect is what holds this community together both the good and bad aspects of it.
Duke Nukem wrote
at 4:32 PM, Sunday February 20, 2011 EST
Implementing the proposed changes without blocking in-game chat doesn't work, since chatting enables player identification.

I'm also totally fine with keeping the existing system, as many people are looking for exactly that.

Look, for example, at a typically 5K table game. These are basically 80% chat games. The game board basically just serves two functions: an initial random seed and to execute and log decisions from the chat's progression. That's also intellectually challenging and often very fast paced, but a wholly different game, and not everyone is looking for such a thing.

I'm basically here because I beat Dicewars 9/10 times and look for better opposition. But at the higher tables I basically meet people playing a totally different social game.

I see Dicewars/Kdice at the same ranks as Go and Chess, probably even harder to beat by brute force than the latter. And I love the kind of dynamic ever changing situations and how they stipulate your brain. And it would be nice to get just that. I'm even thinking about implementing it myself with a quick App Engine sketch, if it can't find much support here.

Of course, the proposed anonymous system could still be cheated with personal messaging, but it would have a significantly higher barrier to entry. The same is possible with Poker or Chess, but 90% of the time, when you meet a 2700 ELO player, you meet a great mind. In KDice that's also possible, but atm there is also a large possibility just meet a great crook and I would just like to have a mode where that'd be different.
Duke Nukem wrote
at 4:38 PM, Sunday February 20, 2011 EST
Btw, with an actually working ranking system one could also completely randomize the process of sitting in: random maps with random, rank matching opponents. You'd need a quite large group of IM players to cheat that.
mr Kreuzfeld wrote
at 2:30 AM, Monday February 21, 2011 EST
scores are worthless without the social aspect of the game imo. and by that I mean that the reason people want a score is bragging rights and getting respect, you cannot have that without the social aspects of the game
Duke Nukem wrote
at 5:53 AM, Monday February 21, 2011 EST
It's probably senseless to post here anyway. If there were two parties, those in favor and bothered by Kdice's social aspects, the latter would probably not bother to read the forum.

Shevar wrote
at 7:45 AM, Monday February 21, 2011 EST
im love that idea since 3 years. would be a cool addition to the game. too bad it wont happen...
montecarlo wrote
at 8:16 AM, Monday February 21, 2011 EST
why dont we start a collection for kakk to program it? im sure he could easily be able to cover up the avatars and screennames of each player. not sure about the rollbox and chatbox tho.... someone ask him if he thinks its possible or not.
mr Kreuzfeld wrote
at 10:00 AM, Monday February 21, 2011 EST
monte, but why would anyone handicap themselves?
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